Root Access

Journeyman Geek

12:02 AM

ooh, netdiscover is shiny

Bob

@JourneymanGeek Crow in dog's clothing?

Journeyman Geek

crow?

Thats magpies actually

Bob

oh whoops

Journeyman Geek

and it may help with superuser.com/questions/806656/…

allquixotic

12:58 AM

@Bob what image spam?

I don't really see much of it

Bob

@allquixotic Overuse of the bot's image macros? :P

Michael Frank

!!wat

ChatBot John Cavil

Bob

there's one of them.

.

gah, chat tries to collapse empty spaces now :P

allquixotic

I prefer the Remove Element extension

Bob

1:14 AM

eh, reduce clutter for everyone

That Brazilian Guy

1:47 AM

-6

Q: Why wont JERKOFFS at SuperUser allow anyone to comment?

Why wont the JERKOFFS at SuperUser allow anyone to comment, and why don't they let visitors know this in ADVANCE without having to read 40,000 pages of policy crap?

windows-8

Because if anyone was able to comment then it would enable immature people to add rude comments and I'm pretty sure you'd hate see it happen, wouldn't you? — That Brazilian Guy 1 min ago

Journeyman Geek

I'm tempted to move that to meta

allquixotic

@JourneymanGeek it's a poorly-worded and offensive question which I'm sure has been duplicated while being asked much more civilly hundreds of times on MSE/MSO

perhaps even on MSU!

That Brazilian Guy

@JourneymanGeek I'm tempted to throw him to the ~~dogs~~ mods (~~it's technically the same on SU~~)

allquixotic

the question would have been deleted, if I were a mod. I don't think "why can't people who don't have enough rep comment???" is a very good question. There are good reasons why the policies are in place. Dredging up this discussion for the umpteenth time is tiring.

That Brazilian Guy

@allquixotic Besides, it's a metaquestion because in its original form it kinda answers itself

allquixotic

1:55 AM

@ThatBrazilianGuy well, yeah. if that guy could have posted a comment, it would have been offensive, given his language in the original question.

Journeyman Geek

@ThatBrazilianGuy: its SR that has 2 dogs and a mushroom reproductive organ as mods. SU has one canine mod only ;p

also, 40,000 pages?

ITS IN THE TOUR

Michael Frank

2:10 AM

heh...

0

Q: Access man page for package?

After installing the gcc-arm-none-eabi package on Ubuntu, I can't find the tools or the manpage even though it appears the documentation is available: $ find /usr/ -iname gcc* /usr/bin/gcc ... /usr/share/doc/gcc-arm-none-eabi /usr/share/doc/gcc-arm-none-eabi/info/gcc.info.gz /usr/share/doc/gcc-a...

linux man

I wonder how that Google Search went?

...aaaaaand I completely misread that question. -_-

allquixotic

@MichaelFrank it's a simple noob question, but not invalid

0

A: Access man page for package?

dpkg --listfiles gcc-arm-none-eabi You can find the file list here also. You can find that on your own by going to packages.ubuntu.com and doing a search on the package name, then click on the list of files for the distro version you have installed. Cross-compiler builds of gcc start with the a...

it suggests noobishness but not necessarily lack of research, so I upvoted it

Michael Frank

@allquixotic Yea, I was thinking he wanted a man page for package itself...

then giggled like a little girl at the thought of Googling for man package

Journeyman Geek

2:32 AM

Most people don't cross compile.

(And the last time I tried it went horribly)

allquixotic

@JourneymanGeek cross-compiling works fine if you have good infrastructure

Journeyman Geek

yup

and you have some idea what you're doing ;p

allquixotic

cross-compiling for windows on Fedora is awesome because of mingw64-configure, which exports a bunch of env vars so a ./configure will look in a mingw prefix for pkg-config, etc

makes it super easy to compile FOSS for Windows on Linux

Journeyman Geek

ahh

I should try it sometime, assuming I find something that needs compiling

Michael Frank

@allquixotic you were going to compile a Spotify offline tool for me a while back...

allquixotic

2:41 AM

@MichaelFrank compiling it isn't the hard part. getting it to work, is

it was working fine for me months ago but suddenly it stopped working, probably something changed on Spotify's end

Bob

oh yea, I never got around to taking a look at that :P

allquixotic

@Bob you kinda did, you committed some patch to add Ookii dialogs

but it provides only silence when it's supposed to be streaming music

Bob

@allquixotic minor, it's a drop-in replacement

allquixotic

I don't get it...

Bob

I never got around to looking at the actual Spotify stuff

urk.

@Bob Except, of course, for the fact that you can have 8GB (or more) installed on a 32-bit machine, meaning there was an implicit hardware upgrade required as well. Linux manages to do just fine with their 32-bit drivers in PAE. Microsoft just didn't want to take responsibility for it. — phyrfox 23 mins ago

I'm not even gonna bother. (I'll rant here instead.)

"take responsibility for it"? They're responsible for what every third-party decides to release?

This is how you get locked-down shit like iOS, WinRT, etc..

allquixotic

2:45 AM

heh

Bob

And I'm pretty sure there's plenty of Linux kernel modules from a previous era that'll fail spectacularly with PAE.

allquixotic

Apple really takes responsibility for what every third-party decides to release, on iOS :P

@Bob there were Intel Linux graphics drivers for the latest-available GPUs as of 2008, which had severe issues with 32-bit PAE, but worked fine with a non-PAE or 64-bit kernel

Bob

@allquixotic Which ties in pretty well with the 2008 blog post about issues with graphics drivers in Windows with PAE.

allquixotic

I specifically recall hitting several bugs in that because I was still running a 32-bit OS because I wanted to not have a dual-stack 32/64 userspace and I really depended on some 32-bit binaries

Bob

I honestly don't see the point to running (or supporting) 32-bit Windows with PAE.

WoW64 is pretty stable.

I suppose you might need it for 16-bit virtual 8086 mode... (urgh), but that's fairly easily satisfied with a VM - not like any programs running in that mode will be too demanding

The 32-bit driver argument is kinda pointless considering many of them won't work correctly with >4GB of addressable memory anyway.

allquixotic

2:51 AM

page tables are a kernel concept anyway, and PAE just makes you use 3 of them instead of 2, so I'm not even sure if the limited concept of virtual memory available to drivers in ring 0 is able to understand how to use more than 4 GB

you could conceivably have a 36-bit userspace architecture that lets you use >4GB in a VAS with PAE enabled, but that doesn't exist on Linux or Windows

Bob

O_O

Unreal mode

In x86 computing, unreal mode, also big real mode, huge real mode, or flat real mode, is a variant of real mode, in which one or more data segment registers have been loaded with 32-bit addresses and limits. Contrary to its name, it is not a separate addressing mode that the x86-32 and x86-64 processors can operate in. It is used in the 80386 and later x86 processors. == Overview == For efficiency reasons, the 80286 and all later x86 processors use the base address, size and other attributes stored in their internal segment descriptor cache whenever computing effective memory addresses, even in...

allquixotic

basically the only benefit of having PAE on 32-bit Windows is that you can have, say, three or four (or perhaps a few more before you run out of memory / address space) processes loaded simultaneously which are using all 4 GB of VAS, mapped into physical RAM (or nearly 4 GB, since using it all would cause OOMs)

all other limitations of regular 32-bit Windows apply

Bob

Then the question becomes, why not just move to 64-bit Windows?

allquixotic

I guess if there were some software that had a hard dependency on a custom 32-bit-only kernel module that the author has never ported to 64-bit...

Bob

@allquixotic And, again, that's (a) got a real possibility of failing in PAE anyway and (b) has a good chance of being broken by Vista/7 kernel changes

allquixotic

2:55 AM

horrible example (bad, outdated, barely maintained / unmaintained software): coLinux

Bob

I mean, it might work if you're lucky.

But at that point... just run a VM.

Hardly worth the dev and testing effort to get PAE working.

Even if you wanted to have a bigger address space with access to said 32-bit kernel module... 32-bit+PAE is still limited per-process.

Journeyman Geek

@Bob: I'm pretty sure co-linux dates back to before good free VM software, and cheap hardware to run it on were common

remembers mucking with vmware player back when you couldn't create new VMs on it

Bob

@JourneymanGeek Sure, but we're talking 2008-2009 here. Heck, even if you disapproved of the decision then, it's now 2014 and you're all out of 'lack of VM software' excuses :P

Journeyman Geek

yup

Bob

2009/Win7 even included XP Mode!

Journeyman Geek

3:02 AM

has never gotten the point of PAE on modern systems anyway

but I'm thinking colinux vs a proper VM

Journeyman Geek

3:12 AM

Also, in this specific case its probably market segmentation

(and PAE never comes into it)

but you said that.

Bob

@JourneymanGeek That's because he's on 64-bit.

Journeyman Geek

Yeah

Bob

The lack of PAE, OTOH, has reasons beyond segmentation.

I'm just annoyed that the other commenter seems to be all "MICROSOFT IS EVIL"

Journeyman Geek

@Bob: like the fact that its a bandaid for not having proper 64 bit support? ;p

This happens.

Bob

Suuuuuure they do it to force you to buy the 64-bit version! Ohwait you can install either with the same key.

Journeyman Geek

3:18 AM

.... holy crap...

This connection is not much faster in theory than my old one. I leave a torrent alone a night, and I've seeded about to about 100x ratio

@Bob: lol

I think I used a key I got for a 32 bit licence to install 64 bit on my current box

Bob

That's 'cause there's no such thing as a "32-bit key" -_-

Journeyman Geek

@Bob: let me correct that

Bob

Keys are tied to version, edition and OEM-ness. I think that's all.

allquixotic

actually Windows XP had a separate 64-bit key: the "Server 2003" codebase was developed and shipped a bit after the original XP release, and Windows XP 64-bit was sold separately

Bob

@allquixotic XP 64-bit was a strange beast.

Journeyman Geek

3:21 AM

Quite

(but 64 bit was generally odd around then)

Bob

It doesn't really apply to anything Vista onwards. Much less anything in 2014.

It's been a whole decade since that release o.O (give or take a few months...)

allquixotic

@Bob it's just the desktop build of Server 2003, which was supposedly the last of the line of old guard OSes that had a lineage back to NT4, until the "massive rewrite" (twice...?) of Vista/Longhorn

Journeyman Geek

twice ;p

(and 7 and 8 polished that up niiiiice)

I'm kinda looking forward to 9, but not entirely decided if I should upgrade my windows 8.1 box to it

Bob

lol

there's a decent chance I'll upgrade my laptop (~6 months late)

I'm not touching the desktop.

That one is bloody fragile -_-

Journeyman Geek

lol

Bob

3:25 AM

desktop's gonna be running 7 until the next major hardware upgrade, or EoL, whichever comes first

I'm hoping the former.

allquixotic

I upgraded 8 to 8.1 without a reinstall on my desktop, so I'll probably be okay upgrading to 9... although I have a ridiculous amount of software installed now

Journeyman Geek

It should be trivial to do a full image on my desktop

or to throw in another drive

Bob

lol

Journeyman Geek

@allquixotic: My systems are set up to be expendable.

Bob

I took a full image recently, actually.

Journeyman Geek

3:26 AM

Its mostly free software, or stuff that's backed up on the cloud

Bob

@JourneymanGeek Mine have an unbelievable amount of crap.

No malware (yet) though.

allquixotic

I could put a full image on one of those new helium 10 TB drives :D

Journeyman Geek

lol

Bob

Actually, I'm still discovering things I didn't know I had installed!

The desktop dates back to 2011... some of this things I thought I never migrated from the previous machine.

Journeyman Geek

0_0

I should probably uninstall the trial version of office 2007 I have on ;p

@Bob: I have a windows 7 VM for installing crap on ;p

Bob

5:43 AM

@allquixotic .NET WebBrowser JS & CIL interop is scary, but awesome :P

Journeyman Geek

8:37 AM

My mom switched phones, finally ;p

Oh, nice the recovery screen is in chinese

Bob

8:49 AM

@JourneymanGeek gah, fail delivery estimate and no tracking... no fort yet, and no idea when :(

Journeyman Geek

;/

i donno, this is a nice phone, but miui seems... wierd

Bob

o.O

can you flash cyanogen on it?

Journeyman Geek

@Bob: that sucks

its my mom's phone

so, I'd rather not

its good enough, she isn't going to be using the advanced features ;p

Gaurav Joseph

@JourneymanGeek what phone is it?

Journeyman Geek

its a redmi 1s

Gaurav Joseph

8:54 AM

looking up now

@JourneymanGeek how does it feel?

Journeyman Geek

like samsung and apple had a seekrit chinese lovechild ;p

Bob

@JourneymanGeek aren't there data leak concerns?

Journeyman Geek

Its my mom's phone.

What data?

Bob

9:09 AM

@allquixotic Remember that googledrive fake signin page? It's being used in real attacks now...

Bob

9:31 AM

Good job.

Journeyman Geek

...

Bob

Also, "gaming phones" really sounds like an oxymoron.

Journeyman Geek

I just 'printed' my mom's contacts off her old phone.

It was an odd extention annnnd... plain text

Bob

vcf?

Journeyman Geek

no, something called spp

Its probably a format meant to be sent over bluetooth to a printer

slhck

9:57 AM

I have this USB drive which loads fine with one Windows PC but the other one wants to format it.

How can I get it to just mount it?

Bob

@slhck :needinfo

slhck

@Bob Sure. Ask :P

Bob

@slhck Which Windows OSes?

slhck

Have an injury on my hand, as little typing as possible

Bob

Is one work, one home?

slhck

10:01 AM

7 on both

both work

Bob

Same initial image?

slhck

initial image?

Bob

...basically, how were they deployed? Normally large deployments go for an identical image on all machines. Smaller places might do independent installations... which are more likely to have differences.

Boils down to: image, or install?

slhck

Hm, no idea. Assume they're different installs.

Bob

...I suppose "same hardware?" is another one.

slhck

10:04 AM

Much different hardware

Bob

Ouch.

There's really two probable causes: hardware fault/incompatibility, or possibly a USB driver messing up (I've had the latter, on this computer actually).

Do other USB drives work on that machine?

Also, you can try listing info with diskpart and see if it can recognise anything.

diskpart
list disk
select disk=<number>
list partition
select partition=<number>
detail partition

slhck

@Bob yup

Bob

Is it going through a USB hub, front panel, or back panel?

slhck

front, lemme try back

list disk hangs

DISKPART> list disk

  Datenträger ###  Status         Größe    Frei     Dyn  GPT
  ---------------  -------------  -------  -------  ---  ---
  Datenträger 0    Online          119 GB      0 B
  Datenträger 1    Online         2794 GB      0 B        *
  Datenträger 2    Online         2794 GB      0 B        *
  Datenträger 3    Online         2794 GB      0 B        *
  Datenträger 4    Online          465 GB  1024 KB

DISKPART> select disk=4

Datenträger 4 ist jetzt der gewählte Datenträger.

DISKPART> list partition

Es wurde kein Datenträger zum Anzeigen von Partitionen gewählt.
Wählen Sie einen Datenträger, und wiederholen Sie den Vorgang.

seems it didn't select it

it prompts me to reformat every minute

uh. works on back port

what the hell?

Journeyman Geek

not enough power?

Bob

10:20 AM

@JourneymanGeek fairly common problem with front ports :\

the data wires can also be a bit dodgy

@slhck sounds a lot like the problems I had with a dodgy hub

list disk hangs until you unplug it

Journeyman Geek

10:39 AM

@Bob: can you see if murdoch.edu.au/goto/Graduations works?

Bob

@JourneymanGeek it loads, if that's what you're asking

Journeyman Geek

yeah

its timing out for me

Bob

@JourneymanGeek do you want to proxy through me? :P

Journeyman Geek

naw, I have a vps I can use

Bob

@JourneymanGeek eh, lemme know if that (doesn't) work :P

Journeyman Geek

10:52 AM

hm. looks like traceroute ends at the singapore-australia underwater link provider

Stack Exchange

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Q: Update the 'invalid edit' audits?

The audits for 'invalid edits' always have the same pattern: randomly inserted texts They take a long time to load (5-10 seconds) instead of the almost instantaneous 'next'. This means somebody trying to game the system by constantly clicking Approve will seldom be fooled and the audit loses i...

feature-request review-audits

slhck

@Bob But the drive has an external supply.. weird.

Bob

35 mins ago, by Bob

the data wires can also be a bit dodgy

@JourneymanGeek o.O

slhck

Probably a super cheap mobo.

Bob

@slhck More likely a super cheap header.

slhck

11:00 AM

What's a header?

Bob

@slhck well, technically the socket on the mobo

but I was more referring to the cable and the front panel hub

Journeyman Geek

11:40 AM

god this is a pain in the ass.

Bob

@JourneymanGeek hm?

Journeyman Geek

Trying to clean up my mom's contact list

Bob

o.O

my mum just did it herself once I showed her how

Journeyman Geek

There's almost a pattern . lastname, blank line, number blankline x2. If it ends with a 1 its a dupe. there's some entries with no numbers, and some entries with a firstname.

@Bob: oh, trying to clean it up a bit so we can prune out a load of junk entries.

hm. Some of these people are dead.

done

I might have accidentally deleted a few people but I can live with that

Bob

hm

I'm sure there was something I wanted to buy on ebay :P

o.O

ebay.com.au/itm/…

probably worse than @allquixotic's one :P

Journeyman Geek

11:56 AM

ahh, caching drive

Bob

if it works at all

Journeyman Geek

oddly, no

I suspect @allquixotic's drive is worse

Bob

wut ebay.com.au/itm/…

pretty sure that's literally a MicroSD with a SATA adapter

hm... with that size, maybe a full 4 GB SD card

Journeyman Geek

;p

Bob

> Reliability& Endurance Write endurance 80 years writing 10 GBytes information per day

!!no

ChatBot John Cavil

11:57 AM

Bob

300 TB... good joke

Journeyman Geek

I think they also make pata 'ssds'

Boris_yo

Firefox by itself does not load multiple tabs which wasn't the case early. Back then you had to download plugin that stops instant loading of multiple tabs after Firefox is started and conserves operating memory.

I am looking for same thing but for Chrome. If anyone knows the solution i.e. plugin, is welcome to share.

Bob

You'd be lucky to write 100 GB before the damn thing wears out.

Probably no wear levelling either.

@Boris_yo google.com.au/…

chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/lazy-tabs/…

code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=105666

Boris_yo

@Bob Which of these you personally use?

Bob

12:03 PM

@Boris_yo Firefox.

Boris_yo

@Bob Do you use application to free memory on-demand or at least know reliable application for Windows 7 64-bit?

Bob

Nup.

I trust Windows to manage my memory for me.

Boris_yo

@Bob How do you read these? Looks like unorganized conversations.

Ditto Reddit

Bob

@Boris_yo Follow the thread.

Reddit is far more organised than most forums.

Heck, Reddit threads are easier to follow than SE comments (considering SE comments aren't really designed to follow a thread/train of thought).

The Chromium bug tracker behaves more like a traditional forum/mailing-list.

Boris_yo

@Bob Where do I start? #1 or first top message?

Bob

12:17 PM

@Boris_yo Start at the top.

Reddit, you can either follow one thread to the end or skip around parallel conversations. Takes a bit to get used to, but ends up much tidier than single-threaded forums.

HackToHell

Boris_yo

Answer Please:
How many websites does Google have in its index?

Boris_yo

12:45 PM

Nobody knows but me?

Oliver Salzburg

@Boris_yo 183764 give or take

That Brazilian Guy

1:18 PM

@Boris_yo ALL OF THEM!

HackToHell

amazon.in/gp/feature.html/…

It's pretty darn cheap :O

That Brazilian Guy

1:51 PM

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That Brazilian Guy

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!!zalgo Cthulhu está chegando!

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Bob

1:52 PM

...

2:41 PM

Hey guys

'lo

I have got a laptop with 2 hard disk drives

1 contains windows 8.1 and the other has backtrack

dual boot

Now I want to format the backtrack drive

back to NTFS

To install another windows 8.1 on it

but I don't know how

anyone who can give advice?

Bob

@RoXaS First: have you backed up all data you want to keep?

RoXaS

The backtrack drives hav e no impoartant data

Bob

2:45 PM

@RoXaS Second: in what order did you install the OSes?

RoXaS

the windows drives however have important data, but

Bob

Specifically, is GRUB your bootloader?

RoXaS

Windows first

then backtrack

Bob

@RoXaS I'd recommend backing them up, just in case.

@RoXaS Then GRUB is probably your bootloader.

Removing the backtrack partition will break booting.

RoXaS

I'm not sure about the bootloader

Bob

2:45 PM

You'll need to fix that one first.

RoXaS

But i i always thought it is grub

Also

WHen I checked there were like a lot more partitions than I thought there would be

Bob

First, boot into Windows.

Launch diskpart.

RoXaS

Am booted into windows now

Bob

type in list disk and paste the output here

RoXaS

my laptop is slow as fuck

diskpart is cmd and then just type diskpart right?

Bob

2:48 PM

(right click the title bar => edit => mark, select the text, hit enter, then paste normally here)

@RoXaS ya

RoXaS

Its on my laptop so cant copy

But basically

It says is has 2 disks

disk 0 and disk 1

Both have the status online

Bob

...put it on pastebin or something and link here?

RoXaS

both are 465 gb

disk0 has 100 MB free space

the other has 0B free space

Dyn is empty for both

GPT emptty for both

thats all the info there is

Bob

@RoXaS so your laptop has two HDDs?

RoXaS

Yeah

Bob

2:52 PM

urk

RoXaS

Disk 0 is the windows one

and Disk 1 is the backtrack one

Bob

@RoXaS Is this UEFI or BIOS boot?

Sorry, forgot to ask earlier.

RoXaS

How can I tell?

Bob

@RoXaS Laptop model?

I'd guess BIOS, though, since they're both MBR (not GPT)

RoXaS

Acer Aspire 8735G

Bob

2:57 PM

2010 c2d, almost definitely BIOS

ok.

RoXaS

It says bios setup at startup

Bob

hm. now I need to dig up a bios system as reference...

or I can guess, and hope it's right! :D

@RoXaS Do you have some form of bootable media handy?

Windows install disk, Linux LiveCD?

RoXaS

Windows install USB

Bob

Good enough. As long as that can boot.

RoXaS

But the format function is disabled when i select disk 1

Bob

2:59 PM

Because the fiddling we're about to do could very well break boot.

I'd also really recommend you have a backup. There's... some risk.

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