Root Access

12:03 AM

Still not working.

@DragonLord and it should be able to both "EFi system" and "boot" to only the SSD with the original C: letter used for that system, as long as you can point the UEFI to the correct disk, and the "EFI system" partitions BCD data, is pointed.

(you had to Fix the BCD first, or have soflware to do it for you)

For me, it was all mind blowingly complex, until after i had done it a few times, and realised it is just another lame method , like all the others.

Like the Fear linux users had that Secure boot would stop them from booting linux.

Ramhound

I am pretty sure Windows uses certain rules to assign drive letters. I do know Windows Loves larger drives :-)

DragonLord

Booting from the stock hard drive and trying again.

Is there a way to reassign drive letters in a different installation of Windows?

Psycogeek

12:20 AM

@DragonLord in the registry in the mounted devices section you can assign letters. but i tell ya it will do that for you somehow. remember the new method is to use the disks ID to find and boot to it, and the operating system gets re-lettered C when it is booted to it via the BCD junk.

Ramhound

I was just going to say. You need to use the drive id, dont worry about the drive letter,

wow..doodoo salid with a side butt sandwitch :$ BBT is awzum

DragonLord

12:54 AM

The enclosure which houses my backup hard drive stopped working

I'll have to go to Best Buy tomorrow to get another one

What a hassle...

Cloning to SSD again.

(FYI, cloning software uses Volume Shadow Copy, so the result should be consistent)

I'll change the boot device back to the SSD, boot to WinRE on the SSD, and reset the drive letter assignment from there using DiskPart

Journeyman Geek

1:25 AM

boop. Picked up the borderlands pre-sequel.

DragonLord

Booting into the SSD again after setting the boot order.

Journeyman Geek

and god I love fibre. Purchase to playable in half an hour

It would take me longer to drop down to the shops and buy a physical copy.

And I'd probably need to update anyway.

DragonLord

@JourneymanGeek Stupid ISPs charging so much for decent Internet access here in the US

Journeyman Geek

@DragonLord: Oh, this is the crappier option

Tho its a set of tradeoffs. I could get faster for a bit more, and a static IP, but I'd lose out on ipv6

but IPv6 would be a lot more useful without port blocks

DragonLord

2:10 AM

@JourneymanGeek: I still have problems

I'm cloning the drive a third time and will physically remove the hard drive before booting into the SSD

DragonLord

2:33 AM

@JourneymanGeek, @Psycogeek, the problem is solved

Windows was getting confused about the presence of a drive in SATA 0

When I pulled out the stock hard drive, the system properly boots to the SSD

...but the recovery options are incomplete

I'll need to fix the BCD

@JourneymanGeek, are you around?

It seems no one is here

Okay, it seems I've gotten WinRE working as well.

Psycogeek

2:55 AM

yea, when you clone, the "boot" or booting info on the SSD is the same as it was, so it goes to the same place it did. if you remove any other possibility could be it tries anything, but i would think it would fail.

Motherboards will have a tendancy to hop from disk to disk as listed in the boot items, even net boots and cds and usb thngs, but the Windows system more often will just get lost somewhere and bail out.

We wouldnt want it any other way really. if I make multiple boot systems (seperate disks) on my machine for backup purposes, it just deciding on its own to go to one of them would be bad. The main system is collapsed, it is running so well on the backup that i do not know it till it too is destroyed. So even back at the hardware i let it only boot to one item. if it fails then i know, and can select a backup one.

ekaj

"North Korea’s “dear leader” Kim Jong Un referred to cyber warfare capabilities as a “magic weapon” in conjunction with nuclear weapons and missiles." goes well with this:

Psycogeek

A good backup of the volitile operating system, is like a game save :-) when you kill the system my making the wrong move, you should just be able to load up the last save :-)

Journeyman Geek

3:11 AM

@DragonLord: Yeah, was playing borderlands the presequel ;p

DragonLord

@JourneymanGeek Which character did you choose—Nisha, Claptrap, Athena, Wilhelm, Jack?

Finally got the SSD working as intended. I'll post a question and answer about the problems I encountered and my solution so that others can learn from my experience.

@JourneymanGeek Are you actually on the moon yet?

Journeyman Geek

Athena

and yeah

JUST got the o2 pack thing

DragonLord

Just got your first Oz kit? great.

Guess what: Someone else had exactly the same issue I had with the SSD migration

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Q: Cannot boot Windows 8.1 after HDD to SSD migration

I got a brand new Samsung 840 SSD. It came with "Data Migration" software from Samsung. I am running Windows 8.1 Here are my steps exactly: Installed new SSD into secondary bay (Disk 0: HDD, Disk 1: SSD). Used the supplied software to migrate partitions C:\ and D:\ (the tool did not list a...

I'm composing an answer now.

Psycogeek

3:30 AM

@DragonLord you showed pictures of the partition structure of the original HD, after using the samsung migration tool, but before you get lost booting to the new disk, did the migration tool create all three of the partitions ? (or is it a "data" tool not a clone tools)

DragonLord

@Psycogeek Yes, it did clone them

The problem was that Windows was getting confused about the existing data on the hard drive

Psycogeek

which it should never even see as anything other than a free data disk, once it is all set correct.

It should not have any "system", "boot" , "crash dump" or "paging" designations, although it could still have an "Active" set.

DragonLord

You'll see once I finish my answer.

Journeyman Geek

eh. I got spacebar and c mixed up for double jumping

Ramhound

Interesting....There is this user and in less than 40 minutes asked 5 horrible questions, and every single one of them received an up vote, every single one was "windows 10" related..

Journeyman Geek

3:35 AM

Oh, that guy?

Ramhound

You saw?

Journeyman Geek

I closed one of his questions

Ramhound

I can't figure out the point. If its trying to game the reputation system. Unless its meant to boost one user to upvote another account...

I mean a question about hte price, a list of differences between winows 10 and winows 8....

Journeyman Geek

Actually...

Nice!

Ramhound

What?

* confused 8

Journeyman Geek

3:38 AM

Sockpuppet.

Ramhound

Yes; That is what I figured

somebody come over and help me pack for my trip to Italy!

I got Beer!

Psycogeek

That guy mark stuff just got caught by the machine. it is now suspended for voting irregularities

Ramhound

( wow the system moves fast )

( lol he was linked to
ElektroStudios )

or separate issue?

Journeyman Geek

;p

DragonLord

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A: Cannot boot Windows 8.1 after HDD to SSD migration

Remove the hard drive before booting into the SSD for the first time The problem you experienced is caused by the Windows installation on the SSD continuing to reference the old hard drive. As a result, Windows incorrectly assigns a drive letter that is not C: to the SSD. Because the system ass...

Ramhound

3:45 AM

I just happen to have Mr. Elektro profile open, noticed upvotes then a comment, gues sshe figured out how to do it himself :$

Some questions confuse me...

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Q: Taking screenshots on Windows, OSX-style

At work I can take screenshots of my entire screen with command+shift+3, or of a specific area with command+shift+4. Both commands output a .png file and drop it on the desktop without any further action needed from me. On the other hand, with Windows, I've got to hit the printscreen button, ope...

windows osx

"Help I want my Windows machine to have a OS X feature!"

* forehead slap

Psycogeek

@DragonLord no! i tell ya i have done cloning and shifting the whole of the os around from disk to raid to ssd , and removal is not nessisary. it is still good to disable or remove to test if the entirety is comming of the intended disk, but it is not supposed to work that way. it does not require removing , just making sure all the pointers are correct.

Ramhound

I said this earlier. Windows likes to find the largest hdd for some reason

ekaj

I've done it without removing at one point in time.. can't remember how

Ramhound

something keeps happening to my ability to run Windows Store appliucations

If I restart or logout the ability comes back

probly should create a question about it :$

shoot, already forgot the process you guys suggested, that handles that

DragonLord

@Psycogeek Did you read my answer?

This is precisely what I did to solve my problem.

Ramhound

3:54 AM

my week was really rough :-(
had to finish, build, test, validate, verify, dry run my project before the end of today all in like 2 days

Psycogeek

@DragonLord i am saying it is not the correct way to "solve" it, if anything it is a bad workaround.

You will see later, after you have piddles with it more times.

DragonLord

@Psycogeek The problem is that Windows is getting confused by the files on the old hard drive and is assigning the wrong drive letters as a result. This has nothing to do with BCD.

Psycogeek

@DragonLord Ok we had that issue back in XP, and we would just hop into the registry and change the letter.

But the UEFI and BCD method is not supposed to work that way

Ramhound

Anyone have ideas what could be happening that prevents me from opening up any ModernUI application? If I restart it comes back for a period of time

Psycogeek

So it would still be a workaround, if there was some way to set it without pulling. I never pull my disks, But i have 2 raid systems so i can disable them at will. But i can clone boot to any one of them, without stopping things.

It doesnt really matter, because people have used all manners of ways to get thier clones working through the ages. and the methods are not usually impervious , then they give up and re-install :-) on the new disk

DragonLord

4:14 AM

I upgraded from a hard disk to a #Samsung SSD 850 PRO, and now my laptop cold boots Windows 8 to lock screen in just 15 seconds! #speeddemon

Tweeted by fierydragonlord on December 20, 2014 at 4:13 AM

Used to take about 35 seconds, with a lot of waiting for the system to settle down after booting up.

All this waiting is absolutely gone.

I'm just not sure why I've waited so long to experience the SSD difference

That 15-second number is a cold boot time—Windows 8 fast boot is even faster

Psycogeek

cool but how many times a month does anyone boot ?

Superfetch pre-loaded hundreds of megs of stuff , so a slow hard disk would be "faster" It is another thing that becomes less nessisary (or turned off) when you have a SSD.

That doesnt slow boot down much, but it clogs the system up for a few minutes at first.

DragonLord

@Psycogeek Superfetch has been turned off through Samsung Magician.

I've never truly experienced a computer with an SSD before until now

ekaj

4:30 AM

Want quick answer, site with answer is 20 pages long

Psycogeek

Then you have extra real ram (not used to pre-load), that does not have to be cleared again if you get shorter on ram.

they say eventually they will sow down a lot, as they fill up, and data is strewn about it , and half written blocks and all, trim fixes the garbage collection stuff (and everyone ignores that this is still work it will have to do) , so you could check if trim is operational. there is some way to test it, but winders again handles this quite well, and mostly without any noticable balks occuring. I have never seen the samsung EVO thing change its speed from the mess on it yet.

DragonLord

TRIM is operational.

Psycogeek

I tested with crystal disk mark on the day it went in, and a year later it was within 2-3% the same speed on that particular bench, even when setting it for big writes and reads.

DragonLord

In addition, Windows is set up to perform optimization every week.

Psycogeek

4:50 AM

Some people will then set the paging to the hard disk, so there isnt all that terrible writing going on . I find that to be more like a "what's the point of the speed" If paging was ever needed, one of the worst slowdowns of a system i have ever felt, i would at that time sacrafice 2 virgins to a volcano to fix it , sooo like i care about a few extra writes on a SSD

DragonLord

Not that write endurance is a problem at all on the SSD 850 PRO

ekaj

5:05 AM

Good read: wired.com/2012/08/mat-honan-data-recovery/all

DragonLord

This is why I don't consider the cloud a substitute for a local backup

ekaj

So what if your house burns down?

Every method has its risks and benefits

Psycogeek

@ekaj then the computer is the least of the problems :-)

DragonLord

@ekaj Local backups have priority over cloud backups, for me at least

To me, the ideal solution is a subscription-based cloud backup service such as CrashPlan or Carbonite used in tandem with local backups

Dedicated cloud backup solutions of this sort are probably the most secure and reliable way to back up data, but they're not cheap

Psycogeek

@ekaj Did this journalist end up ticking-off the hackers? or saying things like "macs are not vulnerable like windows" because the times i see people getting in the middle of hacker wars, is when they taunt them or are hackers themselves, or chatted up in the hackers chat things.

ekaj

5:17 AM

I don't remember.. I don't think he did anything like that, the kid was just trying to prove a point

Oh, it was over his twitter handle: wired.com/2012/08/apple-amazon-mat-honan-hacking/all

He had a 3 character twitter handle the attacker wanted

Psycogeek

Who gets hacked the most, is the hackers hacking on each other, to like prove things and all. From reading one of thier fights , it is like we are all totally vulnerable all day every day (like real life) , it is just a matter of getting targeted. Mean hacker is like Women scorned (but that is just based on reading some of thier stuff on the web)

ekaj

Everyone is vulnerable, of course =p

What do you mean by "mean hacker" though? (or crackers)... well all hackers in this context are crackers

Psycogeek

He also pretty much proved that it was again insecure, because "thanks to who he is (arrogance)" he was able to get into these accounts again. by more or less phishing :-)

@ekaj well they didnt crack, so we say "Black Hat" hackers?

ekaj

Refering to Honan? He had suggestions from friends about data recovery, but ultimately it was because he logged into his DropBox on his wife's PC

I would still classify it as cracking because they are actively trying to take control of something, where hacking in my opinion (and the old definition) is more about modifying something to suite your needs or get the most out of it

i.e. the cracker has potential malicious intents while the hacker has improvement in mind

Psycogeek

@ekaj Right nowdays everyone hacks everything just to get it working, so we all hackers now.

ekaj

5:25 AM

That can be counted as hacking yes

But the problem is there is no longer a distinction between cracking and hacking for most people

Psycogeek

You know something is more secure, if you call them up and say "I lost my password/account , i will e-mail you a scan of my drivers licence , and my birth certificate, and here is the answer to my secret question, and this was my previous password" and they say TO BAD FOR YOU!

Anything less, it is possible for someone to ID theft you using the humans , doing the same thing you do to get the account back.

ekaj

Well those are items you generally wouldn't want transferred over the web in an email =p What if someone forged a driver's license or edited it in photoshop?

Psycogeek

5:40 AM

So a few locations have e-mailed me a Password reset, when they got hacked , OOOOooooh they e-mailed it encrypted LOL. These machines that e-mailed me that reset e-mail, did not know i still was at that e-mail.

I have lost e-mails like yahoo from just being "inactive" so assume i had used a yahoo e-mail to originally sign up for Adobee. the machine sends my yahoo e-mail , that someone else has now aquired, to that person. Now remember it was encrypted :-) the link is all protected. only problem is I never got the e-mail, and they do not even know that. I never have allowed return reciepts

This person who now has that e-mail , or any single one of my e-mails, because comcast (ISP) would give all my best addresses away the moment i quit thier services. Just clicks on the magic password reset, and now has that account.

This comes After, these people (actually adobee) got hacked.

Now it could have been that they (not knowing where the e-mail would actually land) would have kept valuable info out of that. no it had my name in it besides, so assuming the e-mail itself was not the user name (it was) they also chose to put my actual name in too.

Do we make a law that says that all ISPs have to hold every e-mail address ever made out of the system, so the tons general information never go off to the wrong person, because some stupid machine still keeps pooping out garbage to them :-)

ekaj

6:01 AM

@JourneymanGeek i.imgur.com/9DivJNE.gif

DragonLord

I am really burned out today and I don't want to do the rounds

Psycogeek

Data recovery, "The bill for all this? $1,690. Data doesn’t come cheap.
I’ve been asked again and again what I’ve learned"

Uhh a backup would have been a whole heck of a lot cheaper?, then lazily leave it connected to your computer (or have it be raid 5) and your next blog will be about loosing it too.

ekaj

It was backed up... to the cloud

Psycogeek

Or extra special, have it be a NAS unit , connecting through the local network , and accidentally also accessable via the web, so the hackers can just go right for the meat.

ekaj

At least Ithought it was

Psycogeek

6:14 AM

@ekaj the cloud is not a backup, every TOU for the cloud services states that. Although most of the server stuff gets backed up better than your average users stuff.

ekaj

Well it's a better backup solution than 90% of users implement

Psycogeek

well i have always thought that even getting to the servers , has multiple computer dependencies , but the intenet has amazing resilliance. Could be some day the black hat hackers will get ticked off by it :-) and shut it down.

ekaj

Also why is the SU ping so harsh? I hate that sound

Psycogeek

What sound ? :-) turn it off.

ekaj

I like the thought, but just not the sound

Psycogeek

6:18 AM

I dont have sounds turned on on the browser by default, sorry, it causes me to reply direct more than nessisary.

if Ya ever hop onto a web page, and have some music start playing, at 50dB , where it is recorded at 140% , clipped and of some head bashing metal music ya tend to turn that off .

Hackers do not shut down the internet , only because they are presently using it :-)

.
"Previously, when I had the option for ease-of-use versus security, I always went the easy route. I stored my credit cards with the merchants I used for faster transactions" I always prefer to not create a full account, but still provided my credit card info to them. Do i really believe that the transaction information was not stored? that only the huge databases of millions of peoples credit cards that was purposfully archived is the only way to access that information.

ekaj

7:52 AM

@JourneymanGeek Was my SF question too broad? I narrowing it down to a specific best practice in a Microsoft manual was kinda specific

Journeyman Geek

What question? ;p

ekaj

Or did you downvote too? =p

Journeyman Geek

I'm normally not on SF that much outside chat

ekaj

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Q: How do you "prevent powerful accounts from being used on unauthorized systems"?

I was browsing through Microsoft's Best Practices for Securing Active Directory and saw the chart linked which includes some of the best practices included in the document, rated by importance. At number 6 is "Prevent powerful accounts from being used on unauthorized systems." I am taking this t...

active-directory security best-practices lua

Journeyman Geek

ahh

No didn't downvote

ekaj

7:53 AM

I just noticed both downvotes were after interactions with a certain mod, followed shortly by locking it =p

Journeyman Geek

was dealing with meta drama, and a REALLY fun research question ;p

and lol, no I'm not really sure what's SF's scope at this point.

(tho I think MS's doc is broad, and you're essentially going to need a product/service/LM rec to answer is ;p)

ekaj

Fair enough, a kind explanation is all I wanted / needed

Also, Obama said Sony made a mistake by canceling The Interview: washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/…

Journeyman Geek

heh. If I ever close one of yours I'll give you one ;p

ekaj

likewise.. but I know that will never happen =p

Psycogeek

ekaj superuser.com/election/3#post-744362 , is a sort of profile that might be related to your closure

ekaj

8:06 AM

Ah I'm aware =p

I shoulda voted in that election

Psycogeek

8:24 AM

I heard that "the Interview" isnt even a movie worth watching ? all the reviews said it sucks. Much ado about nothing?

it will now be one of those situations where it is likely to be watched, just because of the hype. Or just to see what all the hype was about. so not only did sony, the president, and all the clowns that made it something that it isnt, but even the terrorists did a stupid thing by causing it to (eventually) have a much greater viewership.

Journeyman Geek

Pretty much

Psycogeek

All the peacocks got to strut thier feathers about, and they really were all pigeons

Pidgeon 2. Slang. One who is easily swindled; a dupe.
The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language

Boris_yo

8:53 AM

@JourneymanGeek How is this differential backup?

Journeyman Geek

Not enough information

But the fact that your backups are failing is not good.

Boris_yo

@JourneymanGeek Do not look at failing because these are in the past. There's only 1 backup I am concerned about "OSDisk_0_dif_disk.cbu"

Journeyman Geek

There's really no information there

It does look like the second backup is a lot smaller so... maybe it is

Boris_yo

@JourneymanGeek The outcome is that now my file which was supposed to be of size of 1st backup on top (113GB) is now 135GB

Nothing changed much to indicate such a difference. It seems both were combined into 1 file.

Looks like incremental but it's nothing to indicated such growth in size. Besides I know I have set "Differential" in options.

I think it's bug in Comodo.

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