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Hennes

12:27 AM

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Fire is often cool. Two insane men playing with fire and a slow-motion camera is even cooler.

allquixotic

2:36 AM

@TomWijsman X_X

Journeyman Geek

3:06 AM

@EinsteinsGrandson I tried that once. It hurt. I'd suggest getting that new PSU

hmm

soluto is pretty scary

apparently it can PUSH updates

pretty nice for when, eventually, I need to maintain the parentals systems remotely

Sathya

4:37 AM

today's WTF suggested edits. superuser.com/review/suggested-edits/73604 superuser.com/review/suggested-edits/73595

Yi Jiang's Evil Clone

7:00 AM

in The Bridge, 54 mins ago, by fbueckert

Can one of the mods go yell at SU and tell them not to migrate junk?

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Q: XBox 360 displays no RRoD but no video

Possible Duplicate: XBox 360 no longer displaying video - However, no RROD Manufacture date for this console is 2008-04-10 and has an HDMI port. I used a genuine MS component cable for testing. I was able to view a poor quality 480p image, but was unable to change the 480p setting. ...

xbox-360

kthxbye

slhck

@YiJiang'sEvilClone What exactly is so terribly wrong about this question?

It's one thing to tell a site not to migrate this and that question, but you should also mention what's wrong about this so we can pay attention to that in the future.

kthx?

I began in the Root Access chatroom as you suggested, and a nice fellow named allquixotic is kindly helping me. Just what I wanted! — BGM 12 hours ago

@Sathya Nice, really eloquent.

Also, you're called -----^

Sathya

7:16 AM

@slhck checking.

@slhck apparently 3 migrations in the past 90 days, with no rejections, barring this is "migrating junk". Go figure. Remind me to throw more crap, and show the shit Stack Overflow throws at us to show what junk is.

slhck

@Sathya We rarely use this migration route anyway so it can't be that big of a deal I guess.

Sathya

@slhck yeah, it's kicked out of the regular route too

Bob

7:43 AM

@allquixotic I've actually done something similar before...

amazon.com/Sony-VAIO-SVS13A18GXB-13-3-Notebook/dp/B00889O6AU

> Processor 2.90 GHz Intel Core Duo

wtf.

Journeyman Geek

o0

hmm

misteak?

Boris_yo

8:55 AM

@Sathya You obviously meant on-topic.

@JourneymanGeek Misteak? You don't it that.

Sathya

@Boris_yo and you obviously didn't read it properly.

Boris_yo

You said it is offtopic yourself.

Tom Wijsman

10:00 AM

@Boris_yo Migration 101: Consult the FAQ, which mentions "and it is not about implementation issues or programming tools (ask on Stack Overflow instead),", but then you'll see that Stack Overflow aims to be for "professional and enthusiast programmers" so you end up not migrating the question. Since scripting isn't appropriate on either site and pertains to "computer enthusiasts and power users", it fits on Super User just fine.

Bob

11:11 AM

@TomWijsman fine line between 'scripting' and 'programming' (I don't know if you're talking about a specific question)

is there even a line at all? :\

Tom Wijsman

11:22 AM

Yeah, the former results in a script, the latter in a program.

Bob

and the distinction between a script and a program?

the argument that 'if it's interpreted, it's a script' and 'scripting if off topic on stack overflow' basically means, throw out all the python questions (etc etc)

Tom Wijsman

A script acts on an environment whereas a program is part of the environment.

Bob

that's a rather vague definition

define 'the environment'

Tom Wijsman

Operating environment

The operating environment in engineering describes the circumstances surrounding and potentially affecting something that is operating. For example electronic or mechanical equipment may be affected by high temperatures, vibration, dust, and other parameters which comprise the operating environment. Computing In a computer the operating environment includes temperature and so on affecting circuitry; but in particular the term is often used to describe the non-physical environment in which software runs. This may apply to application software with which users interact, comprising the "look...

It's actually a pretty clear definition.

You don't look about how they are processed (which became vague over the years), but look at what they are and do (which has a strong line between them).

tombull89

12:10 PM

in The Comms Room, 8 mins ago, by tombull89

Pretty trippy, and pretty expensive, going by the buckled lid.

in The Comms Room, 9 mins ago, by tombull89

Sathya

@tombull89 wow, lol

tombull89

Probably the most spectacular one I've dealt with.

Tom Wijsman

@Sathya If you're somehow tracking him, here's another one: superuser.com/review/suggested-edits/73688

Sathya

yeah, there's no way to track him/her

Tom Wijsman

12:25 PM

@tombull89 That's a cool intro screen, what game is this? :P

tombull89

12:40 PM

@TomWijsman It's called "Let's Falcon-Punch the laptop and see how much damage we can cause"

High score so far here is about £145.

Oliver Salzburg

1:26 PM

@tombull89 :D

Tom Wijsman

2:02 PM

I'm bothering Skype Live Chat now asking them to turn

tomwij, live:tomwij, live:tomwij_1, live:tomwij_2, live:tomwij_3, live:tomwij_4, live:tomwij_5, live:tomwij_6, live:tomwij_7, live:tomwij_8, live:tomwij_9, live:tomwij_10, live:tomwij_11, live:tomwij_12, live:tomwij_13

into tomwij, live:tomwij with both merged.

10 minutes already, seems he's entering each one of it together with my e-mail address, joy...

HackToHell

tilll jeffmilner.com/backmasking/stairway-to-heaven-backwards.html

tombull89

@TomWijsman I've got three Google accounts on YouTube, I really want to merge them all together but keep the account name from one, videos and views from another, and contact details from the third but it's not gonna be easy.

Tom Wijsman

So, it takes a minute to check each account? :(

Tom Wijsman

2:26 PM

Apparently there runs a cleanup script every two weeks, so gotta wait a few days.

When there's only two entries left I'm going to make a fourth case asking them to rename their system generated ID back to how it was in the first place.

Boris_yo

2:40 PM

@TomWijsman Roger that!

I liked eyePhone part in Futurama:

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allquixotic

Hello

some people need to say some witty stuff so the million stars that @BGM gave me yesterday will fall off ;)

HackToHell

or you could star all the posts here :P

3

lol

allquixotic

@TomWijsman I don't even want to think about sedding a sed replacement string.... that makes my head hurt... it'd start to look like fenceposts... s/\\//\/\//\/\///\/\\///g (note: I don't expect that to actually do anything useful; I just did that to demonstrate)

HackToHell

Seemingly this is a rebus to a name of a person

He is an author of something

Any idea guys ?

Boris_yo

@HackToHell Do you enjoy typing more than writing?

HackToHell

2:52 PM

yep

allquixotic

it's not what you say; it's how many keystrokes it takes to say it ;)

HackToHell

:P

Oliver Salzburg

@HackToHell No idea. Please let me know if you find out ;D

HackToHell

Do you know any tool to dictionary atttack words like these w*****m

@OliverSalzburg okay

Oliver Salzburg

@HackToHell Run a regex against a dictionary. That's what I do in those cases

HackToHell

2:56 PM

okie

Oliver Salzburg

packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=wamerican

Those packages include the word lists

Then you just grep the list

HackToHell

How do you grep it id I know only the starting and ending words

Oliver Salzburg

@HackToHell Something like ^w.*?m$

egrep "^w.*?m$" american-english /usr/share/dict/american-english

That works well for me

If you don't find the right match, try a bigger list. Like wamerican-insane

HackToHell

ok

allquixotic

@OliverSalzburg I spasmodically avail myself of lexemes which only recur in the insane cyclopedia.

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I guess that makes me a wamerican :D

/me *sings, "And I'm proud to be a Wamerican, where at least I know I'm [not] free..."

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Sathya

3:14 PM

I presume ya'll are aware of Super User's greatest hits?

allquixotic

@Sathya sorted by... views?

oh

> The current algorithm divides the number of page views with the total amount of question and answer feedback received (adding a bonus for high view counts), excluding questions with less views than the median :- 308.

weird, I've actually participated in 71 questions that are "greatest hits" by some definition: superuser.com/questions/greatest-hits?userId=144607

Sathya

71 huh

I'm on 659 of 'em :P

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allquixotic

wow o.o

Sathya

@JourneymanGeek might be in even more

HackToHell

Even I am at 67 :P

allquixotic

3:21 PM

some of the answers I'm most proud of are for questions that either the OP accepted a different answer, or accepted no answer

I die a little inside each time someone asks a question on the site and then completely forgets about it and goes on with their life, never comes back to accept or even read the answers

allquixotic

3:36 PM

"one of allquix's analogies" -- I don't know whether to laugh or cry

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A: Virtual Hard disk reducing Performance

A Virtual Hard Disk is a filesystem inside of another filesystem. In order to read the contents of the VHD, the operating system has to go through two levels of indirection. Let's look at it starting from the perspective of the hardware. So the hardware (hard disk, SSD, whatever) reads the "raw...

Hennes

/me curses AMD overdrive.

allquixotic

@Hennes what's wrong with overdrive? I use it to boost my fan output :P

Hennes

Enable. all work fine. Increase maximum RAM speed by 5Mhz. Uactual used speed drop from 1200MHz to 300MHz. Power usage drops. temperature drops, fan speed drops. Second screen devellops flickering

I can leave it off and all works fine

allquixotic

oh; I never overclock with it, I only underclock or boost fan speed

Hennes

Or turn it on and the system will use the default values (e.g. max GPU at 850Mhz, alctual always on 400Mhz unless gaming. memory clock always steady at 1200MHz which is normal when using two monitors. Room temp 20C, GPU temp 64C, fan 27% of max

allquixotic

3:41 PM

my 7970's fan only ever revs up to about 28% even when rendering a 3d-intensive game, but the temp will get quite hot... I guess it keeps it just cool enough to operate without crashing... but I notice that artifacts in my game go away if I rev it up to 50% to cool down the ASIC a bit more

I have very good passive noise attenuating headphones so I don't notice the jet engine sound coming from my computer

Hennes

Just about every change I make, lower GPU settings, lower memory settings (e.g. 1200MHz -> 1195MHz) and even higher memory setting (memory 1200 -> 1205MHz) leads to a huge drop in GPU clock rate (drops from 400 to 157MHz), a drop in the memory clock (drops to 300MHZ) and flickering on the second screen

Temp drops as well, but I am not complaining about those.

Even thogh 62C -> 47C is a huge difference

allquixotic

@Hennes sounds like it is running in the low power mode when you do that

Hennes

So now to find how to set ti permanently to high power mode?

allquixotic

overdrive is only supposed to affect the clock rate of the high performance mode (when there's a lot of demand on the card), but perhaps when you increase the high performance clock rate, the driver perceives the demands of the OS / applications as being less compared to what the card is capable of, so the perceived load is lower, so it runs in low power mode

Hennes

Ah, high performace mode might refer to windows (CPU) performance, not to any GPU setting

Confuzling

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allquixotic

@Hennes are you running catalyst 12.10, 12.11 beta 11, or something different?

Hennes

Atm version 12.6

allquixotic

wow... why so old?!

Hennes

I used to be on an old version (2-3 years old. I never updated it since the last time I tried to update the system no longer booted and I had to uninstall windows defender in safe mode to get things to work)

That was an update via windows update. Here have several new packages, including graphics drivers and defender updates. Oh yes, you now have a non-working system

I fixed that by uninstalling both windows defender and catalyst control center in safe mode.

allquixotic

Yes, but sticking with old drivers isn't good either, if they have a known bug. I think that bug has been fixed since 12.6. Check out 12.10 at least, it's a stable driver. and 12.11 beta 11 only if you're brave

Hennes

3:54 PM

Last months I made a backup and tried again. No crashes with the update to 12.6

allquixotic

tomshardware.com/forum/358266-33-7950-high-performance-mode

Hennes

Last week it told me it had a new update, which I downloaded

I want to make a new full system backup before I try to install it

allquixotic

@Hennes news.softpedia.com/news/… FYI

tomorrow

Hennes

I better wait a bit then. Maybe a week.

Just to make sure 13 has no new bugs

allquixotic

are you using a Hd7000 series?

Hennes

4:05 PM

(I do that with all *.0 releases. Drivers, windows etc)

HD 5870

allquixotic

oh...

HD5870 is still receiving new features, tweaks, bugfixes, etc. in the "current" driver, but I think it'll get less work than the HD7000

Hennes

Back when the 5700 and 5800 series where brand new, Nvidia had nothing which compared to it and all the shops were sold out

allquixotic

you might expect minor enhancements but since I have a HD7970 I am expecting huge enhancements

GCN required an almost complete driver rewrite, so Catalyst is essentially two drivers in one now: the driver for Evergreen and Northern Islands (HD5000 - HD6000) and the driver for GCN / Southern Islands (HD7000)

Hennes

Most of my games are oldier. Xcom-1, xcom-2, X: beyond the frontier, majestry, monkey Island, UFO gold, tochlight, Civ 3/4/5... Nothing which needs more GPU power

The only exception seems to be Total war: shogun 2

So I was trying to reduce power usage.

allquixotic

right but the driver can fix your bug of not running in high performance mode when needed

I'd make a system restore point or whatever backup you feel necessary and then JFDI

Hennes

4:09 PM

I will do a full system backup and a restore point (hopefully using the restore point if things go wrong, but just to be safe also a full backup

But mailnly I want to lower idle power usage, which is 166 Watt at the socket when the system is idle

(138 Watt after the PSU, delivered to the system)

Part of that is due to 5 HDDs (each 10-15 watt) and a RID card (19.7 Watt at idle)

allquixotic

heh... the main way to lower idle power usage is to use a HD7000 :P the HD5000 series hardware is not physically capable of running at such low power when idle, whereas the HD7000 was designed to operate at about 5 - 10 watts when not rendering anything (screen off)

even with Aero enabled and sitting at the desktop with screen on, HD7970 draws as low as 25 watts for me

Hennes

The 5870 should be able to live on 20 Watt when idle.

Which I researched before buying it.

allquixotic

I don't think it physically can, man... the hardware isn't there to make it run that efficiently

Hennes

But that assumes a single monitor and the memory at 400MHz. With dual screens the memory always runs up to 1200MHz.

The i7 was also nice and lean on power (also 20-ish Watt idle, up to 133 Watt under full load)

Back then I had this list as powerusage:

case fans(4) 7.2
CPU fan 3.6
CPU 2.7 – 130
Motherboard ?
Expansion card 1 (RAID) 20 Watt
Expansion card 2 (GPU) 27 – 188
RAM
SSD 0.1
HDD (3) 25

allquixotic

amd.com/us/products/desktop/graphics/7000/7970/Pages/…

Hennes

4:13 PM

Since then I only added more drives

allquixotic

AMD PowerPlay™ power management technology3

Automatic power management with low power idle states

AMD PowerTune technology5

Intelligent TDP management technology
Dynamic clockspeed/performance enhancement for games

AMD ZeroCore Power5

Ultra-low idle power when the system’s display is off
Secondary GPUs in an AMD CrossFire™ configuration power down when unneeded

Hennes

A bit expensive just to upgrade for money/power saving and a single game :)

allquixotic

tomshardware.com/reviews/radeon-hd-5870,2422-20.html

Hennes

though ZeroCore power is very nice if you want to use multiple cards

allquixotic

the 5870 seems to idle at 141 watts according to tomshardware, and they're pretty reliable

Hennes

4:16 PM

I measured power drawn at the socket and got 166 Watt during idle.

allquixotic

tomshardware.com/reviews/…

even multi-monitor idle is only 40 watts for the 7970... they really did fix up the power usage

Hennes

That is 28% of my PSU's max load (600 Watt), and accoding do the Coolermaster Silent Pro M600 graph it should be 83% efficient at that load. (thus deliver 0.83x166 is) 136 watt to the desktop

allquixotic

@Hennes well you have to decide if the improved performance and reduced energy consumption will save you more money over time than it would to use the existing solution and pay more money for sitting idle

Hennes

Ah, toms graph is "Total system draw"

Not GPU only draw

allquixotic

over the lifespan of the card, if you spend a lot of time idle, you'll probably save energy by using a HD7000 series... it could almost pay for the card itself over 3-4 years

it depends on the cost of electricity where you are, though

Hennes

4:19 PM

Aye

But only if you keep the old card long enough vs using the new card long enough

I expect to upgrade this system in a year or two (then it will be 5 years old)

At which time I probably get a new GPU as well.

allquixotic

with my Ivy Bridge and HD7970, I get so little power draw at the socket when I'm idle (screen off) that most nights I just leave my computer fully booted (not even suspended to RAM) for convenience, and the amount of energy draw is barely significant.... my screen turns itself completely off (power down) when idle and I don't have fancy case lights or anything

Hennes

My screens to not quite drop to zero power when off

allquixotic

I remember that with my HD5970, if I left my system on overnight, even completely idle, it would make my room 80 Fahrenheit (pretty hot!) with the door closed

Hennes

Dell 2407WFP-HC
In use: 66 Watt Power usage dropped quite a bit after I turned
Standby 1.5 Watt brightness down.
Power off 0.2 Watt
Unplugged Nada :)

IIyama E2607WS
In use: 34 Watt
Standby 1.2 watt
Power off 1.2 watt
Unplugged -

Desktop:
Unplugged 0.0 Watt
Plugged in 0.7 Watt
Powered off 3.7 Watt For wake on LAN and such?
Sleep: 6.4 Watt 2.7 Watt more than off. Might be the three sticks of RAM

allquixotic

I've left this HD7970 on overnight and woken up cold

Hennes

4:21 PM

I guess you can tell then I played around with my killawatt thingy :)

Oliver Salzburg

4:32 PM

Okay, maybe I'm an idiot, but from this "zero configuration" guide I didn't get the idea that my webserver has to be able to connect to a listening port on the client O__o

Obviously, our definitions of "zero configuration" slightly differ

Hennes

Zero configuration -> hire someone else to do the configuring?

Oliver Salzburg

In my case it meant that I had to set up tunneling through SSH

But, maybe, I just have the wrong understanding of "remote server" and it's only to be used on the local machine :P

Hennes

Ah, as in 'remote server 127.0.0.1' ?

Oliver Salzburg

@Hennes Right

Hennes

Makes sense from a point of view.

Though making sense is not the same as being obvious

Oliver Salzburg

4:36 PM

I've been reading setup guides for the past hour and watching screencasts, always going "That's not at all what I'm seeing on my screen" :P

My favorite quote from all this:

> The term “remote” signifies debugging on a web server and your localhost server is just that, a ‘remote’ web server.

I should not have skipped the introduction of that article. It would have saved me some time :P

r.tanner.f

@OliverSalzburg Okay, I've read that three times and it's still not making sense to me.

allquixotic

@OliverSalzburg guides and screencasts are a horrible way to learn, at least for me. they use such stupid, simplified environments that they often gloss over necessary details for my configuration that leave me going '....so what do i do now?'

r.tanner.f

remote = localhost?

Oliver Salzburg

@allquixotic This was nothing I planned on learning. I just wanted to write a stupid PHP script

And I assumed, since it's "zero configuration", it wouldn't hurt to set up debugging this time

And one thing lead to the other...

Sathya

5:13 PM

need to stop recommending WhoCrashed

@SathyaBhat says its surely a driver and or software problem and not a hardware one; more details in pro version for $35 :|

Tweeted by shiladitya on January 15, 2013 at 5:02 PM in reply to SathyaBhat

r.tanner.f

5:25 PM

So we have these scanners at all our locations that connect to our email server to send documents. Instead of authenticating, we punch holes in the firewall for every location's IP address. We also don't use static IP addresses. I have no access to the email server or firewall, and I'm getting sick of the 5 AM "I can't scan" calls. Would it be stupid to create a little email server on AWS that authenticates and forwards the mail to our server?

allquixotic

@r.tanner.f yes, but why are you getting 5 AM "I can't scan" calls in the first place?

r.tanner.f

Because when the DHCP lease is up and they switch addresses they get blocked by the firewall ^_^

Hennes

DHCP release should get renewed. Unless omeone powers down the printer/scanner/thingy

r.tanner.f

Public IP address.

Hennes

Esp if the lease is for less than a weekend

Add a 'scan to this filefolder' option?

r.tanner.f

5:31 PM

has to go to a specific email address to be processed by our document imaging system

Hennes

Or disable all firewalls since 'management' said it 'needed to work, regardless'

Which is what I did at the last job

Default passwords on DRAC, public accesable. no firewall

r.tanner.f

Oh, that's how we were rolling when I first came on. Until some guy from Belarus decided to use our open relay.

Hennes

Disaster waiting to happen

r.tanner.f

Yup.

Well, I guess we weren't that open, but our email server was wide open and waiting for spam.

Diago

Sound more like using a sledgehammer to solve the problem?

r.tanner.f

5:34 PM

We're switching to gmail eventually, so nobody is going to want to do this the proper way... I just want people to be able to scan and not have to wait for me to show up at 10:00 their time, and then wait for somebody to add their new address to the firewall for me :| It's getting old.

@allquixotic So you think it's a bad plan?

allquixotic

@r.tanner.f I generally wouldn't trust public Internet infrastructure with any sensitive data, but I come from an extremely paranoid culture, and I know yours isn't nearly as sensitive

if you can get some kind of end to end encryption on all the traffic, I'd say it's a good enough idea

just make sure you have enough bandwidth on the upstream from each satellite location to push whatever data you need to push to AWS; I'm assuming you have better throughput to your local intranet server than you do to the internet

and also test the latency from various sites to your AWS box -- email isn't particularly chatty, but even a little bit of latency can kill your throughput regardless of the connection's rated upstream

r.tanner.f

@allquixotic Hmm, alrighty. Thanks.

allquixotic

5:54 PM

@r.tanner.f I think you can tunnel SMTP over SSL/TLS... if your scanners support that, great

but sending plaintext mail over SMTP over the public internet, authentication or no, sounds very inadvisable

come to think of it, the last time I used SMTP (which was a long time ago; I've been using gmail's web interface for ages), my mail provider didn't even allow the option of unencrypted mail... it was mandatory to use TLS

so that solves the security problem if all your scanners support SMTP tunneled in TLS or SSL. the only problem that remains is (1) cost of the AWS instance and (2) performance

allquixotic

6:19 PM

Wow! Raymond Chen -- THE Raymond Chen -- answered one of my questions on SO O_O

Oliver Salzburg

@allquixotic I've only gotten a comment from him so far ;D

But I assume he's watching winapi closely

allquixotic

that wasn't my q :P

Oliver Salzburg

Or something along those lines :P A co-worker got a reply from him as well on some weird Windows TCP/IP stack question

Boris_yo

6:48 PM

Who uses AdBlock Plus? I just installed it because of being sick of constant YouTube ads. Take that corporate greed!

allquixotic

@Boris_yo welcome to the internet... most people have been using it for years

njallam

UPDATE: PSU RMA approved :D

Graphics card RMA in progress

Boris_yo

@allquixotic I am talking about in-video ads which are way more intrusive than banners. More like welcome to corporate YouTube.

@njallam What is required of customer to get RMA approved?

allquixotic

@njallam awesome. I figured it would be.

did you just get permission to return the PSU, or did they accept the unit as defective once analyzing it?

njallam

@allquixotic 1st one

but progress!

allquixotic

7:00 PM

most warranties say that, "just because we accept your unit for shipment under RMA doesn't mean that we are bound to repair it"

they can still analyze it and be like, "this is obviously your fault"

njallam

All they said they would check was if it outputs power - it doesn't

allquixotic

hmm

I think the way they do this, to avoid waste of resources and intentional sabotage, is that they keep a record of all RMAs that they process for each customer

so, if you were to get the repaired/replaced unit and purposefully break it again, and do that a bunch of times (or even a few), they'd probably catch on

heh. you know what would be impossible to get an RMA/insurance/warranty on? :P

Antonov An-225 Mriya

{| |} The Antonov An-225 Mriya (, Dream, NATO reporting name: 'Cossack') is a strategic airlift cargo aircraft, designed by the Soviet Union's Antonov Design Bureau in the 1980s. The An-225's name, Mriya (Мрiя) means "Dream" (Inspiration) in Ukrainian. It is generally acknowledged as the largest airplane in the world; it is the heaviest aircraft with a gross weight of 640 tonnes and the biggest heavier-than-air aircraft in terms of length and wingspan in operational service. The An-225, originally developed specifically to transport the Buran orbiter, was an enlargement of the successful...

you can't get an RMA on that because only one of them exists in the world

Boris_yo

@allquixotic What's with airplanes disastrers in recent news? Bad Q&A but is it only?

allquixotic

@Boris_yo not sure

i've always been fascinated by that An-225

they used the An-225 to transport a huge concrete pump (capable of pumping large amounts of water with an actuating arm) to Japan during the Fukushima nuclear crisis

its history (from being scrapped to revived, and the second plane never being completed) is fascinating, and it's kind of scary that there is only one jet in the entire world that can carry certain sizes/shapes/weights of cargo through the air

it's a single point of failure until someone builds a couple jets that are at least the same capacity or larger... it's truly a worldwide strategic resource

Boris_yo

@allquixotic It's probably guarded with a very tight security... And I wanted to put it on eBay...

allquixotic

7:13 PM

@Boris_yo it costs about half a million US dollars just to have the An-225 Mriya perform one shipment of cargo. how much do you think the plane itself is worth?

Boris_yo

@allquixotic Only fuel expense?

allquixotic

@Boris_yo fuel, labor, safety regulations, maintenance, etc.

that's the price that the operating agency (Antonov) asks for, so profit is probably built into that also

even if the profit is high, that's still a very expensive price

allquixotic

7:47 PM

facepalm

Also, "linux" is not an "OS", any more than "XNU" is an OS, or "the Windows kernel", or "BSD". It is a hugely overgeneralized term that does not really convey a lot of information about what software might be compatible with your system, much less easily installable. When stating what your OS is, please indicate the exact distribution name, version, and processor architecture. — allquixotic 14 mins ago

@allquixotic, fixed:) — RiaD 12 mins ago

His "fix" was to change "linux" to "Ubuntu"

"version and processor architecture" are probably "I'm too much of a noob to know what that even means"

allquixotic

8:17 PM

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A: What are the components of an HTTP URL and what role do they have in an HTTP Request?

Your analysis is incorrect. It is not a "sort of redirect". As an aside: each horizontal line in this answer indicates a leap in my assumption of your knowledge: I start with the most basic and move to more advanced topics with each successive horizontal line. Use a software tool such as Burp Pr...

Boris_yo

8:32 PM

@allquixotic Beecause currently they hold monopolistic status so they can ask whatever they see "reasonable".

ruda.almeida

8:44 PM

Hi

allquixotic

@ruda.almeida Hi

r.tanner.f

8:57 PM

@ruda.almeida sup?

allquixotic

@r.tanner.f sup?

r.tanner.f

*what's up?

allquixotic

@r.tanner.f oh, I know what it meant... I was asking you, what, is, up. :3

r.tanner.f

ahh, wasn't sure, haha

just got done fighting with the ricoh copy machine. thank god I got to move it across the river.

stupid awful POS...

@allquixotic u?

allquixotic

9:19 PM

@r.tanner.f just going through the review queue - had a great day on SU (shoulda been working haha, well I kind of did)

r.tanner.f

you made it to 8k =D

I really need to get the 3k so I can VTC... been sitting here since the Win8 challenge

allquixotic

@r.tanner.f aw come on -- you're a smart guy -- why don't you already have at least 5k?

r.tanner.f

lol I'm usually interrupted before I can finish an answer... stupid users :P

allquixotic

glad I don't support "users"

r.tanner.f

Yeah, that must be nice.

My phone rings for some of the dumbest stuff. :|

But hey, I'm not pushing a mop anymore so I'm happy.

allquixotic

9:32 PM

@r.tanner.f that's one way to look at it: "if you want to pay me to hold users' hands and move their mouse all day, I'll do it."

^ Hello, mine turtles!

r.tanner.f

Nice lol

hm, the hedgehog has been busy too

allquixotic

time to sprint to meet a deadline at work - I'm going to close chat (dun dun dun; I never do that; it hurts... I'm so addicted!) and even close firefox, and drink a cup of coffee, and push through this boring work.

i love that i can goof off on SU for hours on end, then sprint and get something done in an hour or two and still meet the deadline... maybe i should sprint when i first get the assignment and then goof off when i have nothing to do, but the procrastination gene kicks in

anyway, BBL... this is a "must do"

r.tanner.f

@allquixotic Don't work too hard xD

Shiki

9:50 PM

Question guys. I want a firewall. Simple, free if possible.
Windows "Advanced Firewall" seems to be a cool candidate for that.
But every time I try to set up a "deny all" policy, I can't even make my browser work.

Is there a trick, or a tutorial?

I mean... it seems to be dead simple. You add application you want to allow. You _define_ them to be allowed and so on. Yet, I can't even browse.

I did see a 3rd party application just for configuring the Windows firewall, but the price tag made me nope.

Luke

Check the order the rules are applied in

Deny all first, means everything is blocked

If it's the last rule, then other things are allowed through

@allquixotic I'm on 139 of the greatest hits :)

Shiki

Did that just now. I even added Chrome both at advanced and the simple interface. Yet, no connection.

Some 3rd party app wouldn't be a problem, but I don't know which to choose.
I got a Comodo license, but I only need a firewall and they offer a bit more.

allquixotic

10:10 PM

@Shiki why do you want a software firewall to run on a desktop OS? desktop OSes have a huge attack surface and the firewall is more likely to be able to be disabled by something that the box downloads on one of its many outgoing connections (browser, Windows Update, whatever else you have on it).

Any box that even potentially has any inbound ports open (or for which you want the ports to be silently dropped) should really have either (a) a very minimal Linux box with no attack surface or (b) a dedicated router in front of it.

Shiki

Ah it's not about security. I want to disable ass software like Pando Media Booster. It's not even my own computer, a friend of mine plays with a F2P game, which uses that POS.

allquixotic

@Shiki Does the game constantly reinstall it or something?

Shiki

Yepp, it kinda needs it at updating.

but the user could control the firewall. I just want to find a simple one.

allquixotic

Most "firewalls" designed for Windows XP and later (esp. Vista and later) are just a GUI on top of the Windows firewall backend.

Try it and see. Make a change in one of the firewalls from the big name firewall vendors and watch what happens in Windows Advanced Firewall.

Don't go running to other solutions until you resolve the conceptual disconnect with WAF. It's ridiculous to think that configuring WAF would make the internet completely non-routable unless you've set it up that way. I'm leaning 99.99999% PEBKAC here.

Shiki

So I'll have to befriend this WAF.

r.tanner.f

10:15 PM

Windows Firewall doesn't apply in order. It's supposed to go from least specific to most specific. So if you deny all and then allow one, the allow one (more specific rule) should be applied "after" the deny all.

But it's Windows, so who really knows...

allquixotic

@r.tanner.f That makes sense. So a blanket "Deny All" is going to literally do just that, no matter what.

Can't you block specific processes from having any internet connectivity, anyway?

howtogeek.com/112564/…

The 5th screenshot down in that article shows you how to apply whitelisting, and it doesn't involve setting up a Deny All rule.

If you set both Inbound and Outbound to "Block", you're effectively putting each direction (in and out) into whitelist mode, which means that the only things which get allowed through the firewall are those which are specifically allowed by a matching rule.

If you set it to "Allow", you're putting it into blacklist mode, which means that traffic which doesn't match any rule is allowed by default.

Personally, I would leave it in blacklist mode, but just create a "Program" rule denying all access to the relevant PMB executable.

That howtogeek article even has an example on how to block a specific program.

And again it doesn't involve setting a global "Deny All" rule, as that does exactly what it says it does.

Shiki

10:35 PM

Will try to do that...

KronoS

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Q: What would you like from MetroSE?

MetroSE is an application that I worked on for the Stack Overflow contest apptivate.ms. Now that it's been a few weeks, I'm looking to get feedback on the current version and any other features that you'd like to have. Basically what I'm looking to do is collect a list of bugs, feature request...

discussion

just in case anybody's interested

allquixotic

time to go home

@KronoS two words: write support. I know it's not your fault but until they fix their (damn) API to actually let third party apps use all the features of SE, I'm out. can't even use anything but the website, it's just too limited

review queues would be (a lot of) icing on the cake, but being able to actually answer questions is my #1 thing.... integrated chat is a strong, strong #2

thing is, even if MetroSE were perfect and had 100% of the features of SE, I still probably wouldn't use it because, well, it's a Metro/MUI app, and I never ever ever use those... but I'd pay about $20 (once-off) for a really solid Android app with 100% of the features :)

but without even trying MetroSE, I already know what the limitations are because those are the same limitations as the API, and the API, well, sucks.

I wish they'd give you something you can actually work with because then I'd at least try MetroSE and maybe give its UI a chance to impress me, if I could post answers and such.

but there's only so much you can do when they won't give you the support you need from the API, so, it's definitely not a knock on you... it's all SE. I guess they will hopefully get it done in time, but they're pretty reluctant to break out the really juicy features, in general -- just look at what they did with the feature request for https everywhere.

KronoS

10:53 PM

@allquixotic ya the API is pretty limiting, but it is good for browsing... plus if they gave up all their features they might have a reduction in traffic, which would reduce their ad revenue.

@allquixotic what do you mean? I don't remember any https issues...

allquixotic

@KronoS try using https on the entire site and see what i mean. you get redirected to http

on chat.SE it says connection interrupted lol

anyway gotta go home

Luke

11:37 PM

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