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Hennes
Hennes
12:31 AM
The real bad news is that "bigWOBber" (nickname for Brenndo de winter) is now on a list for extra careful screening. But only him.
 
barlop
barlop
12:57 AM
Why is there a power connector on this bidirectional SATA-IDE adaptor?
one of those links is a picture, the other is the website with it
The power connector seems to be on the board that has the 40-pin. I'd have thought the power would have to go through separately.
 
Hennes
Hennes
Does not that route power like this?
 
barlop
barlop
I'm not that big on SATA but isn't that the data connector?
 
Hennes
Hennes
Power between those two. Data between 40 pins and the SATA connector
 
barlop
barlop
SATA's data connector is narrow, and sata's power connector is wide, isn't it?
 
Hennes
Hennes
Ehn. could be. One part os SATA is signal, one is power
I am more used to SAS
 
barlop
barlop
1:05 AM
Looks like 2 SATA data connectors and one power one
 
Hennes
Hennes
But then the same idea applies, just with a larger arch
 
barlop
barlop
the 2 SATA data connectors, but one when using SATA->IDE and one when using IDE->SATA
What do you mean?
I guess, I didn't understand what you said earlier..
 
Hennes
Hennes
And one power to the chip below the QC/passed stickers?
 
barlop
barlop
well, fine to power the chip, but suppose there's an IDE Hard Drive connected to the 40-pin side.
Oh..
The IDE hard drive will have its own power source
 
Hennes
Hennes
I guess this makes more sense:
 
barlop
barlop
1:07 AM
beautiful, thanks that makes sense
and I didn't realise also, the IDE HDD would have its own power source
 
Hennes
Hennes
Still, why would you use something with IDE/PATA, unless you can not avoid it?
Aye, Normal 4 pins +5 and +12 and two returns molex
Also, my typing is bad, and made worse by a third bottle of gin
 
barlop
barlop
I can't avoid it, it's an old hard drive, i'm using clonezilla to clone it to a 1TB HDD
 
Hennes
Hennes
Well, can avoid it. Boot an USB pendrive, clone over network
 
barlop
barlop
didn't realise that was possible, i've hardly used clonezilla though
what do you use to clone?
 
Hennes
Hennes
Assuming you can find the right network drivers (I got them for my laptop and all std desktops and laptops at work, but that took some time)
nortopn ghost 8.3
8 is an enterprise version
11 is about as old but a consumer version
 
barlop
barlop
1:10 AM
ok
BTW, the 44-pin -SATA adaptors, those boards have a power connector, but route it of course, through the 44-pin
I guess that's what puzzled me, seeing a 40-pin board, with a power connector on it. I was thinking Why, but now you mention the chip and I see the HDD must no doubt take it externally, it makes sense.
 
Hennes
Hennes
I still got a bootable pendrive (XP as OS, eSATA based) which boots into an image server, and a USB pendrive to boot from so I could boot, select the right NIC from the win98 autoexec menu and start ghost.exe with the right DOS network drivers for all desktops at my ex workplace
 
barlop
barlop
In 2004, Symantec renamed the Enterprise version of Ghost to Symantec Ghost Solution Suite 1.0.
Is it possible to just run from Windows without needing a pendrive?
pendrive would require rebooting
I think I might've seen the kind of setup you mention before. The clients all boot to a special ghost thing. And the server/clone image server, can push an image onto any of them, right?
 
Hennes
Hennes
1:30 AM
Aye
I start the server on a desktop (one which contains the ghost images)
then I go the to broken computer, boot from USB, select the right model, start ghost, and restore the image over the net.
All quite neat
 
Tom Wijsman
Tom Wijsman
Go follow the lines! :D
 
Hennes
Hennes
Ehm. image not found line?
 
Tom Wijsman
Tom Wijsman
 
Hennes
Hennes
Ah, yes
Ghost example files: stack.nl/~hennes/ghost_USB.rar
 
Tom Wijsman
Tom Wijsman
Ah, the white connector has a triangle and then runs into R3, which then continues at the other bottom side of the board to the big SunPlusPI chip. Everything actually runs to that chip.
So, to know what happens for sure, you'd need to find the specifications on that chip... :D
That functional block diagram isn't really helpful when power is concerned. :D
 
Paul
Paul
2:35 AM
@TomWijsman Oh I remember that! It was called dasher or something
 
 
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HackToHell
HackToHell
3:39 AM
5
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Ian RingroseI am used to MS-Money, but need to make a move at some point? Will GnuCash: Automatically update stock prices Cope with stock splits Cope with stocks in more than one currency What investment functions I am used to in Ms-money is missing form GnuCash?

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@Luke India, I can get it for 79.51 US Dollars :P
I find it amazing that prices here are nearly same as the newegg price of HDDs
 
Sathya
Sathya
4:23 AM
@slhck btw, the background around "No action required" from mod flag overlay can be improved..
it looks like text rather than an actionable thing
 
barlop
barlop
5:02 AM
I am trying to clone a drive with cat, in cygwin, is that possible? (this is within /cygdrive)
$ cat g | wc -c
cat: g: Is a directory
0
 
barlop
barlop
5:28 AM
@HackToHell Does that mean in india one has to sell his car to buy a hard drive? ;-)
 
HackToHell
HackToHell
no, it means tat the prices are cheap
 
barlop
barlop
not in india
 
HackToHell
HackToHell
@barlop an 1tb hdd is only rs 4358, that is cheap
 
Sathya
Sathya
@barlop use dd to create an image, not cat
 
barlop
barlop
$ dd if=/cygdrive/g of=/cygdrive/c/crp/test.img
dd: reading `/cygdrive/g': Is a directory
0+0 records in
0+0 records out
0 bytes (0 B) copied, 0.00542876 s, 0.0 kB/s
@Sathya dd gives similar "error" msg to cat.
 
Bob
Bob
5:51 AM
semicolon separated list of values in a string in JSON, under a "params" key: you're doing it wrong
 
barlop
barlop
6:02 AM
@Bob you know linux I recall.. and dd. Is that message I get cygwin related, or linux relateD?
 
Bob
Bob
@barlop dd expects a file
When you use it on a drive, you're actually using it on device files:
Device file
In Unix-like operating systems, a device file or special file is an interface for a device driver that appears in a file system as if it were an ordinary file. There are also special files in MS-DOS and Microsoft Windows. They allow software to interact with a device driver using standard input/output system calls, which simplifies many tasks and unifies user-space I/O mechanisms. Device files often provide simple interfaces to peripheral devices, such as printers and serial ports. But they can also be used to access specific resources on those devices, such as disk partitions. Finally,...
a directory, on the other hand, is not a file
 
barlop
barlop
how can I get dd to clone the partition then? /cygdrive/g
 
Bob
Bob
> Block devices are accessible by Cygwin processes using fixed POSIX device names. These POSIX device names are generated using a direct conversion from the POSIX namespace to the internal NT namespace. E.g. the first harddisk is the NT internal device \device\harddisk0\partition0 or the first partition on the third harddisk is \device\harddisk2\partition1. The first floppy in the system is \device\floppy0, the first CD-ROM is \device\cdrom0 and the first tape drive is \device\tape0.
You can figure out which is mounted as /cygdrive/g using the mount command
running it without arguments should list all mounts
I'd personally rather do this from a LiveCD with a dull Linux distro, though
 
barlop
barlop
a live CD would require booting though
$ mount
C:/cygwin/bin on /usr/bin type ntfs (binary,auto)
C:/cygwin/lib on /usr/lib type ntfs (binary,auto)
C:/cygwin on / type ntfs (binary,auto)
C: on /cygdrive/c type ntfs (binary,posix=0,user,noumount,auto)
F: on /cygdrive/f type vfat (binary,posix=0,user,noumount,auto)
G: on /cygdrive/g type ntfs (binary,posix=0,user,noumount,auto)
 
Bob
Bob
huh
can't you boot?
 
barlop
barlop
6:12 AM
I mean it'd require restarting
 
Bob
Bob
@barlop ...ok, cygwin's mount is special
I don't usually use cygwin :\
 
barlop
barlop
@Bob your link might have the answer there, it mentions /dev
and ls there looks like it might have it.
 
Bob
Bob
hm
@barlop try running for F in $(gawk '{if (FNR > 2) print "/dev/" $4;}' /proc/partitions) ; do echo "$F $(./cygpath -w $F)" ; done
if you can figure out which /dev/sdX# is associated with which partition, you can use that with dd (I think)
keep in mind that you can't write to the first few sectors in Windows (not sure if cygwin can bypass that), so dd to the drive (i.e. without the partition number) would not work
 
barlop
barlop
that command gives some errors, but that side. How can I figure out which sdX is which?
 
Bob
Bob
from should work
what errors?
Apparently, it's supposed to have output similar to: 
/dev/sda \\.\PhysicalDrive0
/dev/sda1 \\.\Volume{781f8bd9-7d0d-11de-8012-806e6f6e6963}
/dev/sda2 \\.\C:
/dev/sda3 \\.\D:
 
barlop
barlop
6:18 AM
 
Bob
Bob
> Nice, but evidently requires your patches, not working on my installation.
damn
 
barlop
barlop
within /dev
But I can't tell which. What command would tell me for a specific one? brb toilet.
@Bob ah i've got it, thanks to that long command you gave
$ cygpath -w sdb1
\\.\F:
 
Bob
Bob
@barlop does that work with dd? :s
 
barlop
barlop
well, i'm already using another program to make an image now and it's a long command so i'm not keen on trying
i'd expect dd to work on that.
 
Bob
Bob
@barlop Ah, this is better: 
for F in $(gawk '{if (FNR > 2) print "/dev/" $4;}' /proc/partitions) ; do echo "$F $(cygpath -w $F)" ; done
:P
 
barlop
barlop
6:31 AM
trying it now
btw just tried making an image in a program called macrium, but it seems the file type is proprietary. .mring
 
Bob
Bob
..
 
barlop
barlop
yes that for line works
 
Bob
Bob
@barlop You could also try dd for Windows: chrysocome.net/dd
it has a --list argument to list possible targets
 
barlop
barlop
$ dd if=/dev/sdc1 of=/dev/sda2/img/image13gb.img
dd: opening `/dev/sda2/img/image13gb.img': Not a directory
 
Bob
Bob
@barlop nonono, sda2 is a file
not a directory
it's a file representing the block device (partition)
 
barlop
barlop
6:36 AM
i thought everything in linux is a file?
 
Bob
Bob
so you'd do something like dd if=/dev/sdc1 of=/cygdrive/<letter>/img/image13gb.img
 
barlop
barlop
k
 
Bob
Bob
Remember, you can access objects within directories
 
barlop
barlop
i'm not sure I know what a file is now, let alone an object!
are directories a type of file, in linux?
 
Bob
Bob
object := file or directory
:P
 
barlop
barlop
6:38 AM
great
 
Bob
Bob
a directory is a filesystem entry
but not actually data
(well, they're a list of what they contain, but conceptually they're not data)
 
barlop
barlop
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hard_link "Directories are files, so multiple hard links to directories are possible;" <-- I wasn't imagining things
 
Bob
Bob
Linux also uses files for streams, though
 
barlop
barlop
streams now!
object:=file or directory; directory is a subset of files.
 
Bob
Bob
@barlop well, directories are a function of the file system. in NTFS, they're stored in the MFT (I think)
they're essentially just metadata drescribing the contents
directories contain more directories or files
 
barlop
barlop
6:41 AM
that link actually says directories are files
And i've heard that in linux, that is so.
 
Bob
Bob
you can visualise directories as branches of a tree, and files as leaves
 
barlop
barlop
i'm familiar with that
 
Bob
Bob
branches can lead to more branches or leaves
but a leaf is the end of that path
 
barlop
barlop
I know DOS, where files are files and directories are directories
but in linux, as that wikipedia link I quoted shows. Directories are files.
 
Bob
Bob
@barlop they may be stored in the same way as other files, depending on the filesystem
but they are not ever exposed as files
unless something goes horribly wrong (i.e. corruption)
The Wikipedia article is.. not how I would phrase that.
also, [citation needed]
 
barlop
barlop
6:43 AM
i've heard it many times, that directories are a type of file.
 
Bob
Bob
depends on how you look at it
directories are filesystem objects
always.
files are also filesystem objects
they're all objects
but they are exposed to the OS (and the user) differently
 
barlop
barlop
http://www.columbia.edu/acis/email/mm.home/mmmanual/6.directories.files.unix.html DIRECTORIES

Directories are files maintained by the operating system that are used to organize and locate other files
 
Bob
Bob
@barlop you can call it whatever you want
 
barlop
barlop
The word "file" is ambiguous in linux
but let's use the definition of file being not a directory.
 
Bob
Bob
.this is why I refer to them as filesystem objects
it's unambigious
I still haven't gotten around to finding another word for 'file', for those who insist on referring to all filesystem objects as 'file's
 
barlop
barlop
6:48 AM
yeah
maybe, filefile ;-)
 
Bob
Bob
:P
 
barlop
barlop
what's a stream?
 
Bob
Bob
..
uhh..
Stream (computing)
In computing, the term stream is used in a number of ways, in all cases referring to a sequence of data elements made available over time. A stream can be thought of as a conveyor belt that allows items to be processed one at a time rather than in large batches. * On Unix and related systems based on the C language, a stream is a source or sink of data, usually individual bytes or characters. Streams are an abstraction used when reading or writing files, or communicating over network sockets. The standard streams are three streams made available to all programs. * Pipelines can also be...
:P
 
barlop
barlop
well, when you used the term, saying linux uses files for streams or something
 
Bob
Bob
well, a stream is a sequence of data
but I was thinking more of things like stdin and stdout
or named pipes
 
barlop
barlop
6:52 AM
well, when you said "Linux also uses files for streams, though" . that's no news I suppose. Windows does too.
 
Bob
Bob
@barlop yea, for data on the disk
Linux provides a device file representation of most (all?)... uhh... not-on-disk streams? I'm not sure what to call them
 
barlop
barlop
does linux use a file for stdin? what file is that?
 
Bob
Bob
/dev/stdin
:P
 
barlop
barlop
dd looks like it's working nicely. i'll try opening the img file in 7z to check
 
Bob
Bob
@barlop uhh.. I don't think 7zip can open these
 
barlop
barlop
6:56 AM
7z can open ISO
img=iso=bin, right? all equivalent extensions.
aren't they?
 
Bob
Bob
they're a raw copy of every block/byte on the drive
@barlop no.
ISO files contain a specific file system: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_9660
(that's the same one used on every data CD, btw)
 
barlop
barlop
what extension is applicable to it? img? bin? something else?
 
Bob
Bob
bin just refers to.. well, a file containing binary data
file extensions are not necessarily meaningful :P
.dat generally refers to, well, just data
.img generally refers to an imgage
 
barlop
barlop
ISO isn't an Image then is it?
 
Bob
Bob
but the actual contents of the file can be in jsut about any format
 
barlop
barlop
6:58 AM
is ISO a bit for bit copy?
 
Bob
Bob
@barlop it is an 'image'
 
barlop
barlop
ah I suppose ISO is an image.. but 7z can't read HDD ones only CD ones.
 
Bob
Bob
@barlop ..I think so? Well, missing the CRC data
btw, that's also why data CDs have a lower byte capacity than audio CDs
 
barlop
barlop
So 7z supports ISO 9660 but not NTFS
 
Bob
Bob
data CDs use error correction data, which takes some space
audio CDs don't care if there's minor corruption since the CD audio format won't break with minor corruption, though you might hear it
@barlop ISO is a special case
it's also a very basic file system
most file systems are far more complex
but there are tools that can mount them (and/or open them for reading) in Windows
and in Linux/cygwin, you can just mount the partition image
just use the mount command
the line between a simple file system and a complex archive format is very blurry
and it's also possible to mount archive formats
hm.. I feel like I've just gone on one of @allquixotic's rants
except I'm not sure if anything I said is correct :P
 
barlop
barlop
7:04 AM
quite impressive for a rant
 
 
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slhck
slhck
9:09 AM
@Sathya True. Maybe just a small border or something.
 
Sathya
Sathya
9:22 AM
@slhck yeah..changed the hx to Calibri, rest are at Roboto.
 
HackToHell
HackToHell
9:46 AM
 
 
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Hennes
Hennes
2:03 PM
Bob: which tools allow writing to an existing iso image?
As far as I knew adding to an ISO was making a copy of the already present data (all of it), adding data, and generating a new iso filesystem.
 
Bob
Bob
@Hennes I have no clue :P
But there are rewritable CDs, so I assume the file system itself can be appended to.
 
Hennes
Hennes
No.
 
barlop
barlop
@Bob with rewritable cds, well, from my use of them years ago, you burn it fresh
 
Hennes
Hennes
A rewritable CD is fully erase before you write again to it
 
Bob
Bob
@Hennes Really? Well, ok.
Ah, yea. I was thinking of UDF...
 
Hennes
Hennes
2:07 PM
Think of it as a printed book (where I can not insert pages).
 
barlop
barlop
@Hennes Magic ISO allows you to edit an image but not on the CD
 
Hennes
Hennes
If I want to add an extra parapgraph I have to write a full new book
 
Oliver Salzburg
Oliver Salzburg
Woah. I just dug up a 100mbit hub out of one of my cable chests :D
 
Hennes
Hennes
I know it should be technically possible (and apparently someone did that with Magic ISO), but the whole iso9660 FS was designed for one goal only: Reading data from a shiny silver disk
 
Bob
Bob
@OliverSalzburg would that be newer or older than this 10mbit switch I have here? :P
 
barlop
barlop
2:09 PM
@Hennes If (and if I recall right) for example you wanted to add some RAID driver to a Windows XP CD so that you don't have to insert a floppy, then if I recall you'd use Magic ISO for example.
 
Hennes
Hennes
or Nlite.
But nlite is 'make a copy', add files to copy, write a completely new image
 
Bob
Bob
@Hennes @barlop I forgot: ISO images can also contain other file systems, UDF being a common one
 
barlop
barlop
@Hennes well, I think Magic ISO lets you just add to it and click Save it doesn't write a whole new ISO from scratch
 
Hennes
Hennes
Not sure about that. I would no longer call is an ISO filesystem if it contained and UDF filesystem
barlop: Are you using non-closed sessions?
 
Bob
Bob
still, the only thing that sets them apart from other disk images is that it's esigned for optical media
interesting that we have a multitude of ISO image related tools, yet so few for other file system images
 
barlop
barlop
2:11 PM
@Hennes I thought closed or non-closed was related to rewriting to CDs?
Magic ISO just lets you edit ISOs
not about whether you finalize the cd or not
 
Bob
Bob
@Hennes Still an image of an optical disc in with a .iso extension, and recognised by most 'ISO readers'
 
barlop
barlop
haven't actually heard the term closed/open sessions
 
Bob
Bob
But not ISO9660, no.
 
Hennes
Hennes
An original spec iso9660 can not be appended to
And the CD session is closed, much like a old fashioned record is closed.
If to violate that spec and do not close, and forget to write the final index then you can mess around a bit.
 
barlop
barlop
@Bob Is /dev/hda1 a filefile?
 
Hennes
Hennes
2:14 PM
THis means that the burned disc often worked in CD writers, but failed to work in CDROMs which adhered to the standard.
 
Bob
Bob
@barlop It's a device file, referring to the first partition on the disk hda
h meaning it's an IDE drive, as opposed to s for SCSI/SATA
 
Hennes
Hennes
Hard Disk "A"
 
Bob
Bob
 
barlop
barlop
@Bob would you in your semantics ever call it "a file"? or would you always qualify it, as "a device file"?
 
Bob
Bob
@barlop well, I would prefer to call it a device/special file :P
 
Hennes
Hennes
2:16 PM
I would just call it a file. But I also call my door 'a door' and not 'a wooden door'
 
Bob
Bob
qualifying is good
but it doesn't really matter
since it behaves as any normal file
 
Hennes
Hennes
Yeah, but so is clarity
 
barlop
barlop
@Bob ok but you are sure to not refer to a directory as a file though!
 
Hennes
Hennes
I could call it a node if I wanted
 
Bob
Bob
the only reason I separate directories from files is because they behave differently
 
Hennes
Hennes
2:16 PM
mknod 8 13 IIRC
for /dev/sda
 
Bob
Bob
@barlop normally, I probably wouldn't pay attention
 
Hennes
Hennes
I think on exix you could accidentily edit directories. (e.g. vim project1). You would get binary data
 
Bob
Bob
I tend to interchange things a lot :P
 
barlop
barlop
does node=object?
 
Bob
Bob
@Hennes yea, some people (on Super User, too) have run into issues with directories getting corrupted and becoming readable as files
which orphans any files they contain, too
but that also depends on the file system used
 
Hennes
Hennes
2:19 PM
But you can find those orphans with a fsck (well, on Linux, or diskcheck from windows)
 
Bob
Bob
bleh.
 
HackToHell
HackToHell
@Hennes iirc, someone told me that you could mount it in Linux and edit it
Nov 1 '12 at 13:25, by Bob
@HackToHell mount as read/write
It was @bob
 
Bob
Bob
my bad? :\
Well, it appears to be somewhat possible, though not easy:
5
A: ISO file readonly?

jlliagreIf you happen to run an OS supporting it (Linux & BSDs), you might use Unionfs to somewhat mount an ISO in read-write mode. All writes will be actually be done on a read-write file system but depending on your needs, that might fit them.

that would allow you to make the changes, but in order to save as an ISO again you would need to use mkisofs anyway
 
Oliver Salzburg
Oliver Salzburg
2:36 PM
@Bob Good question :D No production date on the outside...
 
Bob
Bob
@OliverSalzburg Model number?
 
Oliver Salzburg
Oliver Salzburg
@Bob Micronet SP508B
 
Bob
Bob
mine is a Netgear PS105
oh, it's a print server :\
 
Oliver Salzburg
Oliver Salzburg
I also just found my original box of MS VB 6.0!
Hot!
 
Bob
Bob
One parallel port, four ethernet ports (normal/uplink button?!) and.. I forgot what this connector was called
Possibly BNC
@OliverSalzburg German manuall
any useful information there?
Version 07/99... July 1999?
 
Oliver Salzburg
Oliver Salzburg
2:40 PM
Yeah, I found that
Seems like the manual is from 99
 
Bob
Bob
The Netgear product info page is from November 2000
 
Oliver Salzburg
Oliver Salzburg
Man, the box for VB6 says it includes a "Windows 2000 Readiness Kit". To develop applications targeted at this brand new OS
 
Bob
Bob
I've never even heard of NetBEUI
@OliverSalzburg xD
that was the one with the fun installer
 
Hennes
Hennes
Ah, 9 ports, 10 connectors. One differently wired (1MDI / 1MDI-X )
 
barlop
barlop
NetBEUI something to do with NetBT
NetBT = NetBIOS over TCP/IP
 
Bob
Bob
2:42 PM
that scans every file on every volume
 
Oliver Salzburg
Oliver Salzburg
I could really use a new print server btw :P
I found one today and connected everything up so we could finally all use the same color laser printer
But the POS is not compatible with Win8 as it seems
 
Bob
Bob
@OliverSalzburg A network laser would be so much easier
 
Oliver Salzburg
Oliver Salzburg
And it took me like 20 minutes to find the right power converter
@Bob No shit, I bought this printer as a network printer :D
But when it arrived I couldn't find the RJ45 port
So I mailed the seller and was like "Where do you plug it into the network?"
 
Bob
Bob
oh boy
 
Oliver Salzburg
Oliver Salzburg
To which he replied "Oh, does it not have a network connection? I just assumed"
 
Bob
Bob
2:44 PM
this switch doesn't have auto-mdix
 
Boris_yo
Boris_yo
@Bob Network laser? What's that for?
 
Bob
Bob
@OliverSalzburg -_-
 
Boris_yo
Boris_yo
And halloey!
 
Bob
Bob
Return it? :P
 
Oliver Salzburg
Oliver Salzburg
And then he sent me the print server I just connected to make up for it
 
Bob
Bob
2:45 PM
@Boris_yo Printing over the network
@OliverSalzburg In my experience, a proper networked laser printer is much smoother than any print server
web management page :D
 
Oliver Salzburg
Oliver Salzburg
@Bob That was over a year ago and I didn't need the hassle of sending it back
 
Boris_yo
Boris_yo
@Bob I thought cutting people over the network since you said "network laser"...
 
Oliver Salzburg
Oliver Salzburg
@Bob I feel the same way.
But I'm not going to get another printer before the toner runs out
I mostly connected this print server because my USB cable is no longer long enough. But, using the print server, I could connect it to the switch
 
Boris_yo
Boris_yo
@Bob @OliverSalzburg Do you know how to make sliding bar (like auto-hide bar panel on Windows XP desktop) in Windows 7? Any software for this if it is not natively possible?
 
Bob
Bob
...sliding bar?
bar panel?
what on earth are you talking about?
The taskbar?
 
Boris_yo
Boris_yo
2:48 PM
@Bob Folder that can be hidden where all the shortcuts that I need reside. Just like taskbar, yes. In XP I could create folder with shortcuts and make it auto hide and appear on righthand side.
 
Bob
Bob
wut.
Screenshot?
 
Oliver Salzburg
Oliver Salzburg
@Boris_yo Why not put a folder on the taskbar as a toolbar?
 
Boris_yo
Boris_yo
@OliverSalzburg I need immediate access to shortcuts inside without opening folder for this. Point > Appear > Click
 
Oliver Salzburg
Oliver Salzburg
@Boris_yo So, 2 clicks is too much?
But 1 click is just the right amount?
 
Bob
Bob
hm
that appears to have been discontinued after Vista
 
Boris_yo
Boris_yo
2:52 PM
@OliverSalzburg Yes it starts to load folder which makes my HDD slow and I prefer faster access.
 
Bob
Bob
 
Oliver Salzburg
Oliver Salzburg
@Boris_yo If it "loads the folder slowly" then that's a new problem
 
Bob
Bob
@Boris_yo Any shortcut toolbar will also have to load the shortcuts from the drive
though they might cache them in-memory
that's a popular one
and also rocketdock.com
 
Boris_yo
Boris_yo
@Bob Thanks!
 
Bob
Bob
rocketdock is 32-bit only though
and stardock's website appears to be having issues
 
Oliver Salzburg
Oliver Salzburg
2:55 PM
 
Bob
Bob
:\
 
Oliver Salzburg
Oliver Salzburg
That's what I use
 
Bob
Bob
@OliverSalzburg unfortunately, if you pull it out to show the buttons, it wastes precious taskbar space :P
free for personal use too, nice...
 
Oliver Salzburg
Oliver Salzburg
@Bob Yeah, that's why I don't do that :D
 
Boris_yo
Boris_yo
@OliverSalzburg Just dragged shortcuts into Quick Launch?
 
Oliver Salzburg
Oliver Salzburg
2:56 PM
@Boris_yo No, I "put a folder on the taskbar as a toolbar"
Create a new toolbar (right-click, toolbars) then select the folder with the stuff in it
 
HackToHell
HackToHell
@Bob :)
 
Boris_yo
Boris_yo
@OliverSalzburg Thanks that's pretty good though my taskbar buttons reduced in size.
 
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