Root Access

Some questions are gathering no and not currently possible answers. I don't quite feel well about them given that they don't solve the problem the OP is experiencing, and are actually the most cheap answer you can give. They often don't come without any reasoning and don't look whether there are ...

Journeyman Geek

re-commented

@TomWijsman: one of mine is those ;p

Tom Wijsman

Question from WP.SE that might be worth a read wrt to all the people asking Modern UI impossible things.

Journeyman Geek

but I tested, and reported the results!

Tom Wijsman

1:15 AM

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Q: What kind of "is there an app for X?" questions will we accept?

About: Is there a Pandora client for Windows Phone 7? This feels like a recommendation question, in the form of Q&A is Hard, Let’s Go Shopping!, and appears to be facing close votes. I am wondering which types of these questions we would accept... So, which types of questions will we allow ...

discussion scope

This one is similar wrt to the Marketplace (Windows Store), but actually just boils down to recommendations.

Er... Is the official name Windows Store or Marketplace?

Journeyman Geek

Windows Store

Tom Wijsman

Windows Marketplace

Windows Marketplace, was a Microsoft platform for the delivery of software electronically that worked with Windows Marketplace and was secured by use of Windows Live ID. The digital locker platform was composed of four major components: #Windows Marketplace catalog #Multi merchant download cart #Digital Locker Assistant (a client side application that facilitates the download of purchased applications) #Digital Locker. For consumers, the digital locker and Windows Marketplace could be used for purchasing and downloading third party software titles compatible with Microsoft Windows, an...

Ah, Marketplace is some old website of them.

Journeyman Geek

@OliverSalzburg: refined and recommented. That should hopefully prevent me-too downvotes. I still think its TL rather than NC ;p

Tom Wijsman

Okay, need to make sure to use Store from now on.

Oliver Salzburg

Time for bed for me

It's already way too late again

...but I don't feel tired. :(

Simon Sheehan

1:34 AM

Are you guys exploding with Windows 8 questions yet?

Tom Wijsman

@SimonSheehan: No, it's been quiet over the last week.

@OliverSalzburg: Meh, that comment thread on my answer. >_<

Simon Sheehan

@TomWijsman Ah... I haven't upgraded yet. Not sure I will yet.

Tom Wijsman

@SimonSheehan: Actually, way too much questions, a lot of bad quality too...

Oct 22 at 6:13, by nhinkle

a reminder for all you non-mods: there's a lot of... sub-par content coming in with the contest. so it goes. please make good use of the review queue, and your votes! we'll be staying on top of the flags and close queues as well as we can, but we need some help with all the extra attention we're getting

Simon Sheehan

@TomWijsman uh oh.

Tom Wijsman

Although it's nice to see how they almost all get answered.

It's like... You need to be around when they are asking a windows-8 question or someone else might have already answered it.

Oliver Salzburg

1:39 AM

@TomWijsman I'll have to read that tomorrow.

Tom Wijsman

Ya, if it's not deleted by then. Just don't like his ditching, especially as it's my first post there... :D

Journeyman Geek

1:52 AM

@SimonSheehan: there was a massive spike at the start of the contest, and yesterday

nhinkle

2:49 AM

Congrats @kronos :D

Sathya

5:07 AM

0

Q: Packets marked by iptables only sent to the correct routing table sometimes

I am trying to route packets generated by a specific user out over a VPN. I have this configuration: $ sudo iptables -S -t nat -P PREROUTING ACCEPT -P OUTPUT ACCEPT -P POSTROUTING ACCEPT -A POSTROUTING -o tun0 -j MASQUERADE $ sudo iptables -S -t mangle -P PREROUTING ACCEPT -P INPUT ACCEPT -P F...

iptables iproute2

(see rev history)

jokerdino

0.5 bitcoins? I'm sold.

Journeyman Geek

thats interesting

there's a google search and reader app for win8

Oh, you sneaky gits

google search app = metro web browser ;p

Sathya

that's a lot of pimpin' for one ~~site~~ blog u.sbhat.me/R8XSix

Journeyman Geek

hmm, does IE10-metro have tabs?

Sathya

yes

> Share a link to a [windows-8] post with 50 referrals. Earned by 1 user

wonder who's that.

Journeyman Geek

5:23 AM

not me ;p

Sathya

been a week and still no response to that meta feature request

Journeyman Geek

Oh, there was one in comments methinks

Sathya

yeah I don't care about comments.

Journeyman Geek

no no

ahh

like 'got it done' response? ;p

jokerdino

You just pissed him off :P

Journeyman Geek

5:26 AM

Sathya

"it's done" comments are rare and generally "we'll look at it" comments on child metas are like "OK OK stop whining, STFU and we'll take a look and then never bother about it"

jokerdino

So, it's true for meta.SU too?

Bob

@JourneymanGeek Funny how that's a better MUI browser than Chrome :P

Journeyman Geek

@Bob: and its standalone

well, it has an 'open in browser' option that dosen't work

Sathya

-1

Q: SNMP Traps in Windows 8

Simple Network Management Protocol traps stores each action as log files, so does Windows 8 has any new feature regarding SNMP traps ?

windows-8 snmp

@jokerdino pretty much.

Journeyman Geek

5:30 AM

@Sathya: sigh. running out of good questions so going for obscure ones? ;p

Sathya

what the heck is this question about? Google a random service name & ask if something's changed in Win 8?

jokerdino

Blah. Why do they ever say we can also post on child metas then?

studiohack

well, I'm checking compatibility to upgrade to Win8 now. more of a formality than anything else. I'll upgrade in a few days... meanwhile I'm running the Release Preview on my custom build...

Journeyman Geek

@jokerdino: this is different though

if you haven't noticed, the mods arn't running the contest, this is SE Corporate

studiohack

@JourneymanGeek point being?

jokerdino

5:31 AM

@JourneymanGeek I am talking about SE ignoring child metas more than meta.SO.

Journeyman Geek

@studiohack: You all are wonderful people, who actually read the damned child metas, and get things done, naturally ;p

studiohack

@JourneymanGeek hahahahaha :P thanks

Journeyman Geek

@jokerdino: Well, I'd think child metas are more about site policy

anything that goes cross-site goes on MSO anyhow

and SE does, sorta listen

it just gets more complicated I'd think

studiohack

well looks like most of my stuff is compatible. yay!

Journeyman Geek

lol

studiohack

5:35 AM

The ironic part is that this is a Vista beast. :P

Journeyman Geek

@studiohack: It works fine on my dumpster dell, other than the wireless USB NIC

studiohack

I need to upgrade from Win7 Home Premium 32-bit to Win8 Pro 64-bit - can I do that via the upgrade assistant?

Journeyman Geek

hmm, panopticlick breaks on google search app

@studiohack: I think there's a question on that

studiohack

@JourneymanGeek if there isn't, I'm gonna ask it.

Journeyman Geek

o0

The google search app uses IE10 as a backend

studiohack

5:36 AM

@JourneymanGeek what?

Journeyman Geek

nooooo

studiohack

@JourneymanGeek sounds... fishy?

Journeyman Geek

naw, its official

just rather odd

Bob

well, IE10 is the only fully working MUI browser

studiohack

0

Q: Is the windows 8 upgrade 32 bit or 64bit

Simply like the title says is the windows 8 upgrade 32 bit or 64bit? the one that you get with the upgrade assistant? Or is it dependent on the the system I am using to download it? 32bit system gets 32bit Windows 8, 64bit gets 64bit Windows 8? Clarification would be greatly appreciated...

windows-8

Journeyman Geek

5:37 AM

makes sense tho

Bob

actually, FF Elm is quite stable

studiohack

:(( poorly written, by some dude who doesn't even deserve the rep.

Journeyman Geek

lol

Want me to complain to him? He's on AU

studiohack

I have to buy a DVD! GRRR

Journeyman Geek

@studiohack: some people reported that using a trial version of windows 7 worked

studiohack

5:38 AM

@JourneymanGeek of 64 bit?

Journeyman Geek

I'd guess

jokerdino

@JourneymanGeek He's a troll

Journeyman Geek

I have access to the full ISO from school

studiohack

I have an upgrade copy of Win7 64 bit. but I'd have to reinstall completely, and I can't do that for a while.

Journeyman Geek

@jokerdino: oh :/

jokerdino

5:39 AM

I thought it was pretty obvious.

Journeyman Geek

lol

I wasn't paying attention

studiohack

@JourneymanGeek how does the trial thingy work?

if one doesn't have the license key...

Journeyman Geek

apparently if you install without a key with windows 7, it'll be in trial mode for 30 days

studiohack

you know what? I'll just reinstall Win7 and make it 64, and then do an in place upgrade.

Journeyman Geek

allegedly you can upgrade over that

I normally don't, I just nuke it from orbit mostly

studiohack

5:41 AM

oh, I've done that - installed Win7 and then used the upgrade key to make it legal (this same key is running two Windows 7 systems)

and this seems shady, so I need to buy a key. but I haven't had problems for months

Journeyman Geek

hm, dog is growing at nothing in particular

Journeyman Geek

5:56 AM

hmm

forwardengineer.codeplex.com this looks promising.

Journeyman Geek

6:31 AM

o0

Boris_yo

6:42 AM

@JourneymanGeek Sup Singaporean dog'?

Journeyman Geek

apparently my graphics driver crashed in windows 8

leaving me only 4:3 resolutions

Boris_yo

@JourneymanGeek I remeber how such happened in Windows 98. It left me with 256 colors only and 60Hz resolution. Nvidia drivers it was.

Journeyman Geek

lol

Boris_yo

@JourneymanGeek But if you have Windows 7 which is great I think, why would you need 8? Out of curiosity?

Journeyman Geek

@Boris_yo: next computer may run it

trying to decide ;p

Boris_yo

6:48 AM

There is Windows 8 upgrade for ~$64 on TigerDirect. But why not buy full install? I don't like the idea of upgrading based on previous cases with 98 to XP. Could be screwed and better to format and install from zero:

Format + Install = over 9000!

Upgrade - (Format + Install) = less than 9000!

Journeyman Geek

@Boris_yo: there is only upgrade and system builder versions now

Boris_yo

@JourneymanGeek What is system builder? OEM?

Wait! No retail?

Or only retail upgrade?

I heard that Windows 8 = Windows 7 + beautiful interface

Journeyman Geek

7:02 AM

OEM, also 'retail'

Boris_yo

@JourneymanGeek There is Retail and there is OEM that is retail. Retail can be transferred but OEM cannot.

Sathya

7:27 AM

get Win 8 for cheap :P techpp.com/2012/10/27/windows-8-promo-code

Bob

@Boris_yo There is no 'retail' now

There's system builder (OEM), and then there's system builder (personal use licence)

The personal use licence is more or less the same as the old retail one

@Boris_yo Yea, clean install is definitely much more reliable than upgrade. On the other hand, Windows 8's kernel is very similar to Windows 7 - most of the changes were in the UI. Windows XP (compared to 98) was a move from DOS to NT. That's a massive change... so I guess 7=>8 is easier :P

Journeyman Geek

7:46 AM

/me thinks they figured out that most people who knew what they were doing got OEM copies anyway

@Bob: and boot process optimisations

not that we'd notice, using VHDs

Bob

@JourneymanGeek That too :P

@JourneymanGeek Not true, though

You have a whole host of people, especially now with boot camp, who wouldn't have gotten the OEM copy but can't use the upgrade

Journeyman Geek

@Bob: I think that statement is sufficiently qualified ;p

Bob

@JourneymanGeek Well, I guess 'knew what they were doing' != 'using non-Windows OS' :P

I missed that bit

Journeyman Geek

@Bob: they'd have bought retail (if they didn't know that you could buy system builder/OEM) or OEM (if they knew you didn't have to install OEM on a fresh system)

^ see the above part ;p

Boris_yo

8:20 AM

@Bob Yep, it is like what people saying - Windows 8 is masked Windows 7 in terms of UI and graphics. While I have expected full upgrade from engine to UI, I have got only UI which only makes Windows 8 more cumbersome for hardware and requires newer to perform smoothly.

Bob

8:38 AM

Yay!

MS has not added signature verification for Narrator :D

@Boris_yo Windows 8, in theory, has equal or lower requirements than Windows 7.

MUI apps might require better graphics capabilities than Aero (definitely needs better than Basic), I don't know, but it should work on the integrated graphics on Intel processors, so it can't be that demanding.

So, SYSTEM elevated command prompts, anyone? :D

Journeyman Geek

9:02 AM

lol

@Bob: ooh, that old trick still works

@Bob: It works on a Intel GMA3000, I don't have anything crappier to try it on

(that did run 7 fine as well)

... I have that little PIV with an s3 graphics adaptor...

Bob

@JourneymanGeek well, no reason for it not to :P

anyone who can make that work already has admin access

whether by being admin o nthe system (and having privs to do it) or booting off a disc (and resetting the admin password)

LeClerq

9:50 AM

hi all

I'm wondering if someone can help me resolve an issue about failing magnetized links on Transmission, a Mac torrent client

jokerdino

It's a cross platform torrent client.

LeClerq

I'm sorry, I meant that I have this issue on a mac. Didn't know there were other versions of Transmission

jokerdino

Other than that, I can't help you anymore :P

Bob

Our OS X users seem to be missing right now :P

LeClerq

They ALL went to a party last night? :P

Bob

9:55 AM

Party? Why?

jokerdino

Windows 8 release.

Bob

That's a reason for a party? :S

jokerdino

Demise of Windows?

LeClerq

No to celebrate the 'awesome new' products of course

Oh wait, I forgot the sarcasm tag

Bob

Hm.. demise.. probably not.

MS has just pulled a Vista, they're probably gonna pull another 7 soon :P

jokerdino

9:56 AM

That's what most non-Windows users say anyway.

LeClerq

I'm a mac user and I tried Win8 on a vm and I quite like it actually

Bob

That's the thing. Win8 seems to be targeted more towards non-Windows users :\

Journeyman Geek

lol

jokerdino

I listened to ABBA songs today and I liked it pretty well.

Bob

Also, VMs just don't do it justice :P (I still prefer 7. Heck, even OpenSUSE if KDE would just stop bugging out on me)

LeClerq

9:58 AM

Well with the developments in OS X lately I'm starting to think about switching back :P

Bob

Hm? What's happening on Apple's side?

jokerdino

Developments in OS X? Is that a joke?

LeClerq

First of all: notification center

I mean

What the hell

Like I need a full notification bar with e-mail, facebook and twitter previews on the side of my desktop

Journeyman Geek

lol

jokerdino

Sounds so much like Ubuntu's notifyOSD.

LeClerq

10:00 AM

Windows Vista had a similar thing with the widgets

Journeyman Geek

@LeClerq: If i ended up not liking 8, I'd have probably gone with 7 for gaming, and linux for everything else

LeClerq

Okay on the risk of getting kicked out: I use a PS3 for gaming, a Macbook Air for home computing and a Win7 laptop for work

Journeyman Geek

lol

why would we kick you out?

Bob

@LeClerq Well, the widgets were never a big thing :\

Journeyman Geek

SU is entirely platform agnostic as long as it fits a certain value of computer.

Bob

10:02 AM

They end up being hidden/ignored/removed most of the time :P

Win8's notifications are interesting, though

LeClerq

@Bob exactly! same thing happens with notification center

Journeyman Geek

I can actually work with metro apps. Now, this whole start screen thing needs me to get used to it

LeClerq

Yes I really like the live tile thing

Journeyman Geek

(and ironically my current killer app is by google... and runs off IE10)

Bob

lol

Journeyman Geek

10:03 AM

@LeClerq: the context switching is annoying tho

Bob

I actually rather like FF's MUI browser

Journeyman Geek

lol I might, if I had gotten it running

Bob

the UI could use some improvements, but the thing is so smooth

@JourneymanGeek still can't figure that out.. yours just launches the desktop version?

Journeyman Geek

ya ;p

I think i'll wait for it to actually release

I'm too old to run betas ;p

Bob

Does it look like that on the start screen?

Journeyman Geek

10:05 AM

... nope

jokerdino

Firefox Nightly..

Bob

@JourneymanGeek Might take half a year at this rate :P

LeClerq

what do you guys think of surface?

jokerdino

Why does it have the Firefox logo?

Journeyman Geek

I can wait ;p

Bob

10:06 AM

@JourneymanGeek It should. That's the MUI style icon

Journeyman Geek

@LeClerq: I really hope I win one.

;p

then again, I love MS's hardware

its their software I have a love/hate relationship with

Bob

@LeClerq Surface Pro sounds/looks nice. Surface RT is a little too limited for my tastes right now

Journeyman Geek

@Bob: Surface RT sounds interesting cause a good chunk of what I use windows for is Office ;p

Bob

LeClerq

Surface RT actually does look more promising from a business point of view, I guess

more than iPad I meant

Bob

10:08 AM

@JourneymanGeek if the icon looks more like that (Desktop icon on background), you don't have it registered properly as a MUI app

@LeClerq Definitely, considering MSOffice is the de facto standard

As long as that part works well (and email/exchange), most businesses couldn't be happier with the restrictions

LeClerq

also, it should integrate tightly with the rest of the office machines

roaming profiles, remote management, stuff like that

Bob

And, from a business point of view, you need to be able to type well. I don't know about Surface without the type cover, but touch typing is nigh impossible with iPads and Android tablets

LeClerq

(I'm not a systems engineer as you can hear ;))

Bob

@LeClerq Surface RT can't join a domain, IIRC

that could be a problem

LeClerq

Oh... well that's a shame

Journeyman Geek

10:12 AM

@Bob: type cover reviews seem good

LeClerq

it would be the perfect, low cost solution for companies who have needy employees wanting 'a tablet with everything'

Journeyman Geek

sigh superuser.com/questions/493899/…

jokerdino

Isn't that only for ARM hardware?

Journeyman Geek

naw, its also for PCs

but I hate talking about UEFI since Its not 'bios' and calling it UEFI firmware is a bit redundant

Bob

...that all caps thing..

it looks nice in the MUI apps, so far

it looks horrible (to me) on Office/VS

Journeyman Geek

10:18 AM

superuser.com/posts/493873/revisions caps?

all caps thing?

Bob

3

Q: How do I get rid of all caps ribbon titles in Office 2013 on Windows 8?

Installed Office 2013 on Windows 8 today. It's great, except for one thing, the all caps ribbon titles are inconsistent with the title case titles everywhere else in Windows 8. Is there a registry setting that will let me change this? http://i.imgur.com/K7as6.jpg [

microsoft-office windows-8

and the related:

21

Q: What's the deal with Windows 8 elements with ALL CAPS?

Here's how Microsoft new Windows Azure portal elements look like: and that seems to be "Windows 8 style". Visual Studio 2012 also has plenty of user elements in ALL CAPS. For dozens of years ALL CAPS was considered yelling and just bad style and now suddenly ALL CAPS is everywhere. Is there ...

text readability typography metro

Especially this:

Journeyman Geek

oh dear

that IS HORRIBLE

Bob

yup

One of the User Experience answers makes a good point about it looking nice/working well on MUI. But on Desktop? NO NO NONONONO

Bob

10:38 AM

huh

MUI FF, Win + Q = Google search :D

@JourneymanGeek Have you tried a complete uninstall of FF, download the Elm Nightly again and try to install?

I get the feeling you missed something :\

Journeyman Geek

@Bob: hmm, no. I'll probably try when I nuke this thing;p

which should be a while, I have a crusader no remorse game going on that desktop ;p

engadget.com/2012/10/27/…

giant bunny ears of DOOM

Bob

Wait wait wait

How do you uninstall an OS?!

0

Q: Problems with uninstallation of windows 8

I installed windows 8's developer preview version dual boot with win 7 ultimate. I put my win 8's partition to 11 GB (almost), but now when I try to uninstall the win 8 it dont allow me to uninstall it saying no enough space. What to do ?? Then I try to login to win 7 and increase the size of ...

windows-8 operating-systems dual-boot uninstall

Oliver Salzburg

11:00 AM

@Bob I'm loving that

Bob

@OliverSalzburg :\

Oliver Salzburg

I even consider it an obvious and clear improvement and was shocked when people were outraged :D

Graham Wager

0

A: Windows 8 disk space usage vs Windows 7

The Test To try and make a fair comparison, I went for Windows 7 Ultimate SP1 versus Windows 8 Enterprise. These are the most full-featured editions of the respective operating systems available, so could be considered as a "worst-case scenario". SP-1 was already slipstreamed into the Windows 7 ...

hw bored am I today?

*how

Journeyman Geek

@GrahamWager: more bored than I was

Graham Wager

11:16 AM

I'm starting to think we need a "how do I access the Charms bar?" question, just to link from all the other questions where the answer starts with "in the charms bar"...getting fed up of typing it out lol

Journeyman Geek

lol

I think only one of my answers involved that

suprisingly

Bob

@GrahamWager Go ask it! :P

Graham Wager

apparently only 3 of mind have actually, it just feels like more...

Journeyman Geek

@Bob: duplicate of the shortcuts question of doom

Bob

:\

not really

charms bar can be opened by a shortcut

but there's a gesture too!

and it would be nice to have an answer that includes what the charms bar is

Graham Wager

11:21 AM

i'll do it lol, if it gets closed, it gets closed :)

Bob

huh

that's the first time I've ever offered a bounty

lol @JourneymanGeek on a retagging spree

Journeyman Geek

@Bob: 'spree'?

going back to trickling in edits every hour as I was before the contest ;p

Bob

well, I just happened to click on a few

Journeyman Geek

at most 5

my tactic is 5 every hour or so, when I remember ;p

Bob

huh

yay, t-shirt

do they even ship to Aus?

Graham Wager

11:28 AM

there you go, posted... any edit suggestions?

0

Q: What is the Charms Bar?

I've seen a number of references to the "Charms Bar" in discussion about Windows 8. What is it, and how is it accessed?

windows-8

Bob

looks fine

Graham Wager

I've edited links into my Charms Bar related answers too

Bob

Ok, FF MUI needs a lot of keyboard shortcut work

and the tab list is hard to open

hm, missing scrollbar

and not sure about plugin support

we'll be lucky to have FF MUI by this time next year at this rate :\

I guess, at the very least it works

Journeyman Geek

11:48 AM

lol

'works'

I'm almost certain this whole 'only the default browser can use metro' malarchy is a way to make people use IE :p

Bob

my solution? Don't use metro browsers at all :P

One part of FF MUI that does work is a convenient button to open in the desktop browser

Journeyman Geek

lol

If I need a metro 'browser' I'll just use the google app

Bob

Can you set that as default?

Journeyman Geek

nope

don't need to

actually thats the neat thing

though for some reason reader won't load on it

Bob

0

Q: How do I force all links to open in the Desktop browser?

When I click a link from a Modern UI app, it opens in my default Modern UI browser. How do I force all links, regardless of source, to open in the desktop browser? Ideally, the Modern UI browser would not open at all, except possibly if I manually opened it. I am currently using Firefox Elm (a N...