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Flimzy
Flimzy
12:49 AM
Sheesh
this user unknown character is something else
 
 
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El'endia Starman
El'endia Starman
2:49 AM
@Flimzy Heh, yeah...
What has he done in the few hours I've been gone? :P
 
Flimzy
Flimzy
@ElendiaStarman: His snide remarks on my answer on his ranting meta post
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A: Answer deleted with, imho, poor arguments

FlimzySorry, I didn't read everything you wrote in your Meta question. (TLDR). The answer you provided about dinosaurs is basically: A grep of the Bible for 'dinosaur' has no hits. This is not a useful answer. If it was a useful answer, it would mean the question itself was not useful (for sho...

 
El'endia Starman
El'endia Starman
@Flimzy Ah, heh.
 
Flimzy
Flimzy
If he doesn't want people to think his remarks are snide, he's shouldn't say things like that.
I'm tempted to reply to his comment, but nothing I would say would improve the situation
 
El'endia Starman
El'endia Starman
Hmm. I could say something, but I don't know what I would say.
 
Flimzy
Flimzy
hehe
 
El'endia Starman
El'endia Starman
3:01 AM
Enthusiast! Wooo!
 
Flimzy
Flimzy
hehe, I think I got that today, too
I also got yearling on SO!
just a day or two ago
 
El'endia Starman
El'endia Starman
@Flimzy Nice!
@Flimzy Yeah. Everyone who's been here every day since private beta began will get theirs today.
 
Flimzy
Flimzy
I thought I might have missed a day in there
but I guess not
 
Flimzy
Flimzy
3:18 AM
I already have 113 rep today
someone went thru and did a random upvote on a bunch of stuff it seems
 
El'endia Starman
El'endia Starman
Lol.
By the way, all your upvotes on me a few days ago got reverted. :P
I still have the mortarboard badge though, so I'm happy with that. :P
 
Flimzy
Flimzy
3:37 AM
haha
why did they get reverted?
it looks like my votes are still registered
 
El'endia Starman
El'endia Starman
4:27 AM
 
Flimzy
Flimzy
5:04 AM
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Q: Can we truly know anything about God's character?

stoicfuryI've seen a few people casually write about how they know God's character—the features and traits that make up His person or existence—yet I've always been taught the opposite (that we can't possibly comprehend his true nature), and upon thinking about it myself I don't see how anyone can really ...

nature-of-god
Is this even remotely a useful question with his restriction that "Biblical sources will not be of use here"?
 
Flimzy
Flimzy
5:17 AM
I guess I came up with an answer that's I hope "remotely useful"
 
El'endia Starman
El'endia Starman
@Flimzy Yeah, that question is kinda more suited to Philosophy.SE, but he did mention that he wanted Christian perspectives.
 
Flimzy
Flimzy
Yeah... although "I want a Christian perspective" doesn't magically make a question on-topic :)
"How do I define a variable in Perl? I want a Christian perspective."
 
El'endia Starman
El'endia Starman
Lol, true.
@Flimzy LOLZ.
Well, I think that the other mods (and I) will discuss it tomorrow, so...
Aaanyway, heading to bed. Good night @Flimzy! :)
 
Flimzy
Flimzy
'nite
 
 
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Caleb
Caleb
8:11 AM
@Flimzy True enough. How does my comment sound? @ElendiaStarman?
 
Caleb
Caleb
8:36 AM
 
 
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Caleb
Caleb
1:16 PM
@Flimzy If you have any idea how it can be re-written to make it on topic, I'd say go for it. I've also pinged some mods over on Philosophy.SE.
 
El'endia Starman
El'endia Starman
@Caleb Well said.
 
Beofett
Beofett
1:36 PM
@ElendiaStarman He does this on multiple sites. It is not worth trying to engage him on the subject.
 
El'endia Starman
El'endia Starman
@Beofett Heh, okay.
 
Jonathon Byrd
Jonathon Byrd
2:25 PM
boy we just have a bunch of people on here that like to argue everything
 
CiscoIPPhone
CiscoIPPhone
2:58 PM
@JonathonByrd No we don't. :D
 
a_hardin
a_hardin
Is our visitors/day troubling, or are we just between the "new site!" and "lots of search engine traffic" stages?
 
BeatMe
BeatMe
3:17 PM
can a picture be a valid answer? ;)
 
Jonathon Byrd
Jonathon Byrd
3:40 PM
I'm ready to post my next question
How does a Man receive Eternal Life?
This question is open to any denomination or belief, but should be backed by scripture, please post a comprehensive answer to this question.

I don't think that anybody would disagree that Jesus Christ is the only way to God and to your inheritance. But what is mans responsibility? That's what this question is addressing.

What do I need to do in order to receive eternal life?
Just posting it here for review before I post it
@ahardin @ElendiaStarman @Caleb
 
Caleb
Caleb
@JonathonByrd Go 'fur it.
 
Jonathon Byrd
Jonathon Byrd
did want somebody to think that it was a list or poll q
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Q: How does a Man receive Eternal Life?

Jonathon ByrdThis question is open to any denomination or belief, but should be backed by scripture, please post a comprehensive answer to this question. I don't think that anybody would disagree that Jesus Christ is the only way to God and to your inheritance. But what is mans responsibility? That's what th...

jesus salvation commandments
 
Caleb
Caleb
@JonathonByrd It kind of is, but at first pass it sounds like it's worth a shot.
It's not a poll our outright list, it's just a question that is going to get multiple POV's by nature.
 
CiscoIPPhone
CiscoIPPhone
@JonathonByrd Is the question asking how do you get into heaven?
Or how do you live forever on Earth.
or either?
 
Caleb
Caleb
@JonathonByrd I just made some edits. See what you think. Nothing personal if you don't like it, but I thought re-arranging it a little might help the thrust of the thing.
<dinner>
 
a_hardin
a_hardin
4:21 PM
@JonathonByrd I've posted my view
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A: What does Man do to receive Eternal Life?

a_hardinAs you have said, in John 14:6 Jesus tells us that "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me." Paul and Silas tell their jailer in Acts 16 what he must do to be saved. Acts 16:29-34 NIV 29 The jailer called for lights, rushed in and fell trembl...

I had a hard time picking scripture for some of that
 
Stack Exchange
Stack Exchange
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Q: Is this the most magnanimous bunch of Protestants on the internet?

Peter TurnerSo far two of the most beloved anti-papist sentiments have not been broached, and I'd like to thank ya'll from the bottom of my heart. http://christianity.stackexchange.com/search?q=galileo http://christianity.stackexchange.com/search?q=inquisition Not to jinx the thing, but let's keep it up! ...

discussion
 
 
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Stack Exchange
Stack Exchange
5:34 PM
0
Q: Should question on Jewish beliefs be closed?

jimreedShould this question about Jewish beliefs be closed for the reasons given in this meta post explaining a moderator's reason for closing a question about atheism and this other meta post that explains another moderator's reason for closing a question on Judaism? If not, what's the difference? I ...

discussion close-reasons
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Q: Deleted comments

DJClayworthI'm pretty sure I made a comment on this question, and it's not there now. I think I'm noticing this happening a lot. Can we get an explanation, or get our moderators better trained? At least can we know which moderator is doing these deletions?

discussion deleted-comments
 
Jonathon Byrd
Jonathon Byrd
5:51 PM
@ahardin you left out the fact that they did get baptized
 
BeatMe
BeatMe
6:03 PM
@filmzy, "Perhaps Christians can be "more" moral than Atheists (since they have a greater understanding of the source of morality)" why have christians a greater understanding of the source?
@Flimzy ;)
 
Jonathon Byrd
Jonathon Byrd
@ahardin hahaha you referred me to my own answer in another question to answer this question
thats awesome
 
a_hardin
a_hardin
@JonathonByrd :)
I'm working on my response to James 2:24... I'm kind of surprised it's not a question already
 
Jonathon Byrd
Jonathon Byrd
@a_hardin lol that could easily be a q all in it's own
What I'm struggling with is that I know I'm not sin free, I continue to sin knowing the truth.
so where does God draw the line between, yes you are obeying and no you're not obeying
1 john says that we will continue to sin, but we cannot continue to sin
so I'm confused...
 
a_hardin
a_hardin
yep
 
Jonathon Byrd
Jonathon Byrd
I have no idea as to how to word it as a q
 
a_hardin
a_hardin
6:23 PM
0
Q: Is righteousness a prerequisite for salvation?

a_hardin James 2:24 NIV 24 You see that a person is considered righteous by what they do and not by faith alone. In James we are told that a person would be considered righteous by their deeds and not just their faith. Is righteousness a prerequisite for salvation?

salvation righteousness
 
Flimzy
Flimzy
oh sad... since one of my answers got migrated to philosophy, I lost out on a bunch of rep :(
I would have had mortarboard today
now it's looking unlikely
 
a_hardin
a_hardin
Oh well... you only get one mortarboard, anyways
 
Flimzy
Flimzy
yeah, well, it's more about the 200 rep than about the "badge" :)
Several of my upvotes counted for 0 today because I'd already hit the 200 mark
but now I'm well below 200 because a bunch of my rep migrated
 
a_hardin
a_hardin
ah, that stinks
 
Flimzy
Flimzy
Yeah... now nobody's going to take me seriously here because I don't have enough rep!!
:P
 
a_hardin
a_hardin
6:29 PM
><
ooh, i got popular question on serverfault
 
Flimzy
Flimzy
nice
 
BeatMe
BeatMe
@Flimzy, did you see my question regarding the better understanding of the source morality by christians?
 
Flimzy
Flimzy
I never get many upvotes for questions on the SO/SU/SF sites... because when I have a question to ask, it's usually so obscure nobody knows what I'm talking about
@BeatMe: Not yet... I'm just now looking at all the new questions
 
BeatMe
BeatMe
i did ask here in chat ;)
 
Flimzy
Flimzy
oh, then no I didn't see it
 
BeatMe
BeatMe
6:33 PM
just would like to know what you mean with "christians do have a better understanding of the source of morality"
 
Flimzy
Flimzy
better understanding than?
 
BeatMe
BeatMe
other people
 
Jonathon Byrd
Jonathon Byrd
@ahardin you should add to your last q when jesus said that you have to be more righteous then the pharisees
 
Flimzy
Flimzy
@BeatMe: I don't think I would say that all Christians have a better understanding of the source of morality than all other people
@BeatMe: I might say that within the context of Christianity it is possible to come to a fuller understanding, than it is outside of Christianity.
 
Jonathon Byrd
Jonathon Byrd
@Flimzy lol ditto.
 
Flimzy
Flimzy
6:43 PM
@Richard: I do like your answer to my question... it just doesn't quite address the specific question I was asking... And that is: how do people who hold those views answer?
@Richard: One of my closest friends believes those two premises, and when I asked him the same question, his answer was, "Well, I think enough time has passed by now that we don't need to answer the question."
@Richard: Which I found to be a very unsatisfying answer :)
 
TRiG
TRiG
I'm going to pull something out of that to ask as a question on main.
But it won't be up till some time at the weekend. Fair warning, so ye can have your answers prepared before I post the question.
 
Richard
Richard
7:20 PM
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Q: What are some situations documented outside of the Bible in which God intervened in human affairs?

stoicfuryAs a continuance of this question and also somewhat this question, I was curious if there were any instances of God's influence on humanity that are not mentioned in the Bible. On a basic level, many people like to believe that God intervenes from time to time in answering prayers; surely all the...

intervention human-affairs
Is it me or is that a duplicate?
 
Flimzy
Flimzy
I'm not quite sure if it's a dupe
I almost flagged it as a dupe of my miracles question...
but decided not to because it's a bit broader
although, the miracles question could answer his
 
Richard
Richard
@Flimzy Hmm.. Yeah, I see what you are saying. But it's kind of like asking "When did you stop beating your wife?" The basis is false, so my answer is addressing that.
@Flimzy I considered this too. But what would be considered documented intervention that would not be considered a miracle?
 
Flimzy
Flimzy
Yeah, I don't know... :)
 
Richard
Richard
The only possible flexibility I can see between the two is time frame: where one is asking for "modern" miracles and the other for simply miracles.
 
Flimzy
Flimzy
oh, sure... one is strictly extra-biblical miracles
 
Richard
Richard
7:24 PM
Isn't the other? Since the Bible isn't considered "modern"?
 
Flimzy
Flimzy
Re: the question of christ's death... I don't think the timing is important, but the knowledge posessed by the one who might be "saved." And so in that regard, I think your answer hit the nail on the head (although I'm not sure about your alternate interpretation of pre-Christian salvation... have to think on that one some more).
 
Richard
Richard
@Richard Also, I agree that this doesn't totally answer the question directly. It's more of addressing the assumptions instead of the question. Not the "ideal" answer, but it's not an "ideal" question due to the assumptions.
 
Flimzy
Flimzy
Okay, discussing two topics here at the same time is confusing me ;)
My question was "modern," his was "extra-Biblical", which includes modern, but is also more broad.
 
Richard
Richard
@Flimzy :) Yeah, it's not a universally held viewpoint due to the text of Romans. But if you read through the OT, it really seems to make sense.
@Flimzy LOL =)
 
Flimzy
Flimzy
I could re-word my question to not be specifically 'modern'
or to expand 'modern' to mean "after the writing of the Bible"
 
Richard
Richard
7:27 PM
@Flimzy I don't know if anyone would accept a miracle as "documented" if it happened in 1100 AD.
 
Flimzy
Flimzy
They they would be clear duplicates.
 
Richard
Richard
@Flimzy I think that would be a good idea.
 
Flimzy
Flimzy
If I change the middle sentence in my question to:
What evidence exists for post-Biblical miracles?
Is that sufficient? Should I change the title, too?
or maybe:
What evidence exists for modern (as in post-Biblical) miracles?
several of the existing answers already take a broad view of 'modern'
 
Richard
Richard
@Flimzy True.
 
Flimzy
Flimzy
Well, one in particular...
it's a story from the 1920's
I think I suggest you edit my question, so it's a Mod doing it
 
Richard
Richard
7:30 PM
The Sun miracle was 1917, also.
@Flimzy As you wish. :)
 
Flimzy
Flimzy
Grr... there's a bug!
I'm being cheated out of rep!!
 
Jonathon Byrd
Jonathon Byrd
@caleb can I get you to rename this chatroom
"Can I lose my salvation?"
should be the new name
 
Richard
Richard
@JonathonByrd There ya go. I happened to be on. ;)
 
Jonathon Byrd
Jonathon Byrd
Perfect, thank you
I laughed pretty dang hard on your comment to that Q
it seems that the commenter was not realizing what he was saying.
 
Richard
Richard
@JonathonByrd Well, he does have a good point, but...
 
Jonathon Byrd
Jonathon Byrd
7:38 PM
just not a point that supported his argument
 
Richard
Richard
exactly.
 
a_hardin
a_hardin
has anyone else seen the mention in the podcast, yet?
Stack Overflow Blog: SE Podcast #19
Posted by Alex Miller on September 21st, 2011

Everyone’s back in their home towns this week (Sorry for the audio quality last week. It was Joel’s fault [actually, it was TechCrunch's fault]). And joining Jeff & Joel this week is John Sheenhan, Developer Evangelist for Twilio.

Jeff and Joel are bored of board meetings. How do you make them productive or even useful? Brad Feld says you should give out a document beforehand. Joel does this, and nobody reads it, but they at least pretend they did. Maybe Joel should plant money under the attendees’ chairs? …

"We also have a site on Christanity now. It is less technical than Judaism… which isn’t good. Our engine works better on more technical applications. Jeff: “I’m not 100% sure Christianity is working.” It’s still early, and it is getting more fact-based as it gets older, though."
 
Richard
Richard
@a_hardin Aah, I was wondering. I've heard mention of it, but I didn't know what they said. Yeah, we are getting "better", but I think we have a ways to go.
 
Jonathon Byrd
Jonathon Byrd
7:54 PM
I thought we were doing good
 
Peter Turner
Peter Turner
Was this a sufficient change christianity.stackexchange.com/questions/3016/… man, it would suck if we can't ask anything about atheism.
 
Jonathon Byrd
Jonathon Byrd
8:10 PM
@BeatMe You lack understanding in your basis for morality. you say that murder and cruelty are condoned in the Bible. But you lack the understanding as to why those things were from God. IT's because those people were receiving the type of judgement that they judged upon other people. They were wicked nations that did these exact things to others. This is why God judged them the way that He did. He is a perfect judge an He will judge you by the basis that you judge.
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Q: Why is Cruelty and Murder condoned in the Bible?

Jonathon ByrdIt's not secret that very vial things were done to people in the bible. Millions murdered, raped, beaten and even infants dashed against rocks. These things are normally ignored because of a lack of understanding. These things have also caused men like Richard Dawkins to write books filled with ...

nature-of-god judgement
 
Flimzy
Flimzy
@JonathonByrd: I think "Millions murdered" is inaccurate.
@JonathonByrd: Assuming you're referring to things that happened in the OT...
There were probably less than ~50 million people in the entire world
so if "millions" were murdered, that would be a genocide of at least 4% of the entire earth population.
Anyway, it's a minor point :)
ah! I got my rep back
 
dancek
dancek
8:31 PM
@Richard I wanna apologize for giving you and others a hard time with the porneia question...
 
Richard
Richard
@dancek Well, I think I remember comments that you don't personally have these issues, but are battling this with others that carry these beliefs.
Unfortunately, the explanations can only go so far. :\ Even the original language suffers from this. How do we define any word? Where do words come from?
 
dancek
dancek
@Richard yep, and that's exactly why I don't wanna settle for a half-good answer :/
@Richard yeah, that's a big question... even the semiotics of an actively spoken language are non-trivial
and that's why it's hard to really answer someone who claims a commonly held definition is wrong
 
Richard
Richard
Unfortunately, Strong's is as close as we can get to a definitive answer. Since we can't time travel and ask the apostles what a given word means to them, we have to trust Strong's.
 
dancek
dancek
especially when they might have a PhD in theology, etc.
@Richard yeah, but Strong did something to come up with the definitions
and I do know that for some Greek words we're very sure about the meaning and some others are quite unclear.
I just have no idea of the science behind it all
 
TRiG
TRiG
8:54 PM
@JonathonByrd. You described Dawkins' words as "filthy". I note you didn't attempt to claim they were untrue.
“The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully.”
 
Caleb
Caleb
@TRiG One can ask a question about a statement without making a judgement about the truth/untruth of the statement in the question.
Of course Christians see those as a patently false and desperately mis-guided description of God, the question is WHY.
 
TRiG
TRiG
@Caleb. I happen to think that Dawkins has an excellent turn of phrase, but that The God Delusion is not his best book.
Unfortunately, I've not yet got around to reading most of his others, but The Greatest Show on Earth is absolutely excellent.
 
dancek
dancek
@TRiG it definitely is not
 
TRiG
TRiG
@dancek. ?
What's not what?
Which book are you referring to?
 
dancek
dancek
@TRiG the God Delusion is not Dawkins's best book
 
TRiG
TRiG
9:01 PM
@dancek. Ah. Sorry; I wasn't sure which of my comments you were replying to.
Personally, I think the Bible is vague enough that it's possible to get almost any sort of morality out of it.
 
dancek
dancek
@TRiG yeah. You can see that by hovering. Granted, some people misuse the reply feature here.
 
TRiG
TRiG
But Dawkins' reading is certainly supported by the text.
@dancek Oh. I've never used the "reply to message" feature before. I've just typed the name.
Handy.
 
dancek
dancek
I haven't read The Greatest Show on Earth, but I don't think I will either.
 
Richard
Richard
@dancek Actually... I was looking at it. Strong's is nothing more than an concordance. The "dictionary" portion of it are lexicon dictionaries. See the footnote here for an example.
 
dancek
dancek
I think The Selfish Gene and The Blind Watchmaker were interesting reads, but The God Delusion was pretty much a no-more-Dawkins-for-me-ever book
 
TRiG
TRiG
9:06 PM
@dancek Perhaps you weren't the target audience. But he's an excellent science writer. I've read a few of his essays, and look forward to getting around to his earlier books.
 
dancek
dancek
@Richard :(
 
TRiG
TRiG
All of which is getting us off the subject of: Does the Bible provide a coherent picture of God, and, if it does, is that a picture at all nice?
My answer to both of those questions would (and this will surprise no one here), be No.
 
dancek
dancek
@TRiG I'd say he was a good pop science writer (and a good scientist afaict), and he's become a very good evangelist
 
Richard
Richard
@dancek Actually, it's kind of a good thing. There are multiple dictionaries available that you could use to cross-reference what multiple scholars are thinking in regards to a given word. It would just make the case for a given definition stronger.
 
dancek
dancek
@Richard hmm... I'm starting to wonder if there are any academic papers written on this
debunking a known definition for some sin-related word is exactly what they'd love to do at the University of Helsinki :)
scholar.google.com/scholar?q=porneia <- wow! now where are all the fulltexts!
 
Stack Exchange
Stack Exchange
9:32 PM
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Q: Where should we continue ongoing discussion on closed questions?

DJClayworthThis question was closed as a duplicate while discussions as to the best answer were ongoing, and while useful information was coming out. Where should we go to continue discussion on questions that have been closed? Should we copy all the comments and answers to the duplicate question?

discussion
 
dancek
dancek
@Richard edited the question with links to two probably relevant articles, which I unfortunately don't have access to :/
 
Caleb
Caleb
@Richard: You should install this: stackapps.com/questions/2378/comment-link-autoprettifier (I use it to auto-fix your comments a lot.)
 
dancek
dancek
@Caleb ooh! /me needs!
 
Caleb
Caleb
10:00 PM
Love it. Our SE Overloards can't pronounce Hermeneutics.
 
Richard
Richard
@Caleb Oh, that's nice! I'm going to look into that...
@Caleb How do we install user scripts? Is that a brower specific thing?
 
El'endia Starman
El'endia Starman
@Richard Depends on the browser, yes.
Crome: Click install.
 
Richard
Richard
Opera? :}
 
El'endia Starman
El'endia Starman
Firefox: Have Greasemonkey installed. Click install.
Hmmm...Opera...
I don't know about Opera.
 
Richard
Richard
@ElendiaStarman Yeah, I like Greasemonkey.
 
Caleb
Caleb
10:12 PM
@Richard Opera I think you have to put the file somewhere manually.
 
El'endia Starman
El'endia Starman
@Richard: Just Google it.
wait
Ta-da! :P
 
Stack Exchange
Stack Exchange
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Q: Would it be alright if the mods cleaned up comment clutter?

RichardIf you follow meta, you have seen considerable discussion lately regarding comment deletion. Usually comments are deleted because they are obsolete, off topic, impolite, or have turned into noise (long, extended discussions that detract from the actual post). Normally, this deletion goes on qui...

discussion moderation comments cleanup
 
El'endia Starman
El'endia Starman
YES! Yes it's alright!
Wait a minute... >.>
 
Richard
Richard
@ElendiaStarman Thanks. You should've used the tinyurl. It adds the element of surprise. :P
 
El'endia Starman
El'endia Starman
@Richard Ah, that's true.
There ya go! :P
 
Richard
Richard
10:24 PM
@Caleb Oh, just got that installed. Nice!
 
Caleb
Caleb
@Richard Now go leave some useless comments so we can keep up our delete spree :)
 
Richard
Richard
Ugh. Time to leave. Seeya guys.
 
El'endia Starman
El'endia Starman
@Richard Alright. Seeya! :)
 
TRiG
TRiG
10:49 PM
I'm trying not to pick fights. (Difficult, sometimes, given my history and my temperment.)
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Q: What is "Spiritual Warfare"?

TRiGWhat is spiritual warfare? And how is it different from malefic ("black") magic? One Evangelical Christian sums it up with, Prayer should not be spellcasting. God is not your djinni.

prayer religious-practice spiritual-warfare
 
El'endia Starman
El'endia Starman
11:01 PM
Alright, heading out. Seeya guys! :)
 
Joseph Weissman
Joseph Weissman
@Caleb just wanted to say I really appreciate the courtesy of pinging the mods before migrating the question over to philosophy. I will certainly try harder to be more diplomatic in the future with migrations. Anyway, just wanted so say thanks again for helping us work through that hiccup smoothly. Hope you are well :)
 
Caleb
Caleb
@JosephWeissman No problem :) I suspect we might run into a few questions now and then that might get shuffled between Philosophy and Christianity. We might even have some cross-over expertise eventually. So far it seems pretty one-or-the-other. In any case I hope to keep the communication open and see both sites grow/improve. Thanks for being open to talking.
G'night all. I'm done for the day night.
 

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