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wax eagle
wax eagle
12:20 AM
@fredsbend the point kind of stands though, for a country that is basically entirely made up of immigrants, we're awfully anti-immigrant
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Elisha and his Brethren
Elisha and his Brethren
1:45 AM
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Q: Christianity as a test for jews

RenatoI was looking for sources demonstrating Christianity as a test for Jews and I found the Rambam in Mishneh Torah (Laws of Kings 11: 4) the following: [...] Can there be a greater stumbling block than Christianity? [...] the intent of the Creator of the world is not within the power of man to...

sources-mekorot gentiles avodah-zarah christianity
 
 
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fredsbend
fredsbend
3:24 AM
@waxeagle I can't speak for your family, but mine's been here a long time. To call me an immigrant is ludicrous.
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maj nem ɪz dæn
maj nem ɪz dæn
3:38 AM
 
 
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El'endia Starman
El'endia Starman
7:19 AM
@fredsbend Your ancestors were almost certainly immigrants. If I recall correctly, mine immigrated some six or eight generations or so ago. A couple centuries, I think.
Then you have the annual influx of legal immigrants, and the daily influx of illegal or temporary ones. Hispanics will soon (a couple decades) be the most populous category in the USA because of immigration.
 
El'endia Starman
El'endia Starman
7:38 AM
The point is that very nearly everyone in America is here because of immigration. Except for the Native Americans.
 
 
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TRiG
TRiG
8:48 AM
@fredsbend It's certainly an excellent soundbite, at the very least. I think it's also more than a soundbite.
 
TRiG
TRiG
9:04 AM
@El'endiaStarman Saw a remark t'other day that a lot of the immigration to the USA from South America is because of the interference of the CIA deliberately destabalizing countries in that part of the world. In which case, the least ye can do is give a home to your victims.
 
fredsbend
fredsbend
@El'endiaStarman Sure, but my point is that I was born here and as far back as we know our genealogy, all but one of my direct family was born here too. This goes back almost 200 years. Wax's comment seems to imply that we are all immigrants, but that would require a very warped use of the word.
@TRiG If you don't think about how ridiculous a statement it implies, that people like me, whose family has lived here for generations and about 200 years or more, is an immigrant just the same as José who moved here from Mexico last week, then perhaps you might find it "an excellent soundbite".
I believe they call that a category error.
@TRiG Sounds like conspiracy nonsense. You don't really believe that stuff without some cold facts backing it up, do you?
The part about the CIA intentionally destabilizing S. American countries.
It's a bold claim sitting right next to the chemtrails and the evils of the federal reserve.
A common problem with all three of those conspiracies, and most others actually, is a lack of a clear motive. Why would the CIA intentionally do that? To what end?
Another common factor is the assumption that the government can accomplish these fantastic manipulations of the common person. The idea that the CIA, or any single entity, can through espionage destabilize an entire nation is such a fantastic claim.
Surely, if they were that good, they could do much more lucrative, productive, fruitful things than make Venezuela worse than it already is.
Just like the claim that an omnipotent God is responsible for some silly thing that happened, but can't seem to do anything important like prevent child rape.
To what end was it important that you made all the green lights on the way to work today?
To what end was it important that another child was raped and murdered while you were so self-absorbed all you could think about was the inconvenience of stopping a few times on the way to work?
Wow. This went weird quick. I started with immigration and ended up here.
I think I need an appropriate outlet.
 
Caleb
Caleb
9:49 AM
@majnemɪzdæn True story: I routinely get approached by folks assuming that I have or know of some way to fast-track their desire to immigrate. Many seriously think US citizens must have green cards to pass out as if they were like "invite codes" to some new web service or game. Others just assume we know special loop-holes to jump through.
Few are willing to take no for an answer nor understand that US citizens are less likely to know anything about our immigration process than other foreigners and that we don't have any magic ways of defeating our own system.
 
TRiG
TRiG
@fredsbend I don't know the chemtrails conspiracy theory. Do I want to?
 
fredsbend
fredsbend
@TRiG It's interesting at least. Not sure if anything nefarious is actually happening, just as with all the other theories.
 
TRiG
TRiG
Covert United States foreign regime change actions
The United States has been involved in and assisted in the overthrow of foreign governments (more recently termed "regime change") without the overt use of U.S. military force. Often, such operations are tasked to the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA). Regime change has been attempted through direct involvement of U.S. operatives, the funding and training of insurgency groups within these countries, anti-regime propaganda campaigns, coups d'état, and other activities usually conducted as operations by the CIA.These actions were sometimes accompanied by by direct military action, such as following...
 
fredsbend
fredsbend
Sometimes when a plane passes over it leaves a trail behind it.
When the trail is condensation only, it dissipates quickly, typically under 30 seconds.
Sometimes the trails can be observed to stay in the sky for hours and expand in size. When multiple such trails are in the sky, they eventually fill the entire space, from horizon to horizon. These are not an effect of mere condensation, but something else.
Hence, the name chemical trail, or chemtrail.
Personally, I've seen it happen where it is a clear morning without a single cloud but then the whole sky is filled with these trails by late afternoon.
I'm not sure if they are chemical or indeed just condensation, but I do have a hard time believe it is mere water doing that.
I certainly have a hard time believing that some evil entity is doing it on purpose for some strange reason.
Which is where the theories lose all their credibility.
IN NEW USERS WHO STRUGGLE NEWS: I'm not sure this guy is ever going to get it.
 
TRiG
TRiG
@fredsbend Ah, yes. The "What would be the point?" response to conspiracy theory. That's always a good one.
 
fredsbend
fredsbend
10:03 AM
Exactly. Without a motive you cannot have a proper accusation.
 
Sabre Tooth
Sabre Tooth
chemtrails? bah!
 
TRiG
TRiG
Cui bono
Cui bono /kwiːˈboʊnoʊ/ "to whose benefit?", literally "as a benefit to whom?" is a Latin phrase that persists. The phrase is a double dative construction. It is also rendered as cui prodest. It is a Latin adage that is used either to suggest a hidden motive or to indicate that the party responsible for something may not be who it appears at first to be. Commonly the phrase is used to suggest that the person or people guilty of committing a crime may be found among those who have something to gain, chiefly with an eye toward financial gain. The party that benefits may not always be obvious or may...
 
fredsbend
fredsbend
@TRiG The United States has been involved in and assisted in the overthrow of foreign governments.
 
Sabre Tooth
Sabre Tooth
<--atmospheric physicist... water can't persist in the sky for long periods of time? tell that to the clouds
 
fredsbend
fredsbend
Yes, that's proper espionage. I have a feeling that the original presentation of the argument portrayed it like the CIA was doing it all.
 
Caleb
Caleb
10:06 AM
@fredsbend Gal—Hello has self-identified as a member of the prettier sex.
 
fredsbend
fredsbend
@SabreTooth Yes, but does the water produced from a jet engine have the ability to essentially make clouds that stretch across the whole sky?
We are talking about two different things when we compare clouds to jet trails.
 
Sabre Tooth
Sabre Tooth
yup, water is water
 
fredsbend
fredsbend
We're talking about a problem of volume here, not substance.
 
Sabre Tooth
Sabre Tooth
cirrus is an eample of a persistent low volume cloud
 
fredsbend
fredsbend
I admit that I don't know much about clouds. I also don't know much about jet emissions.
 
Sabre Tooth
Sabre Tooth
10:10 AM
i know a little too much about both
 
fredsbend
fredsbend
But let's not get sidetracked on what they actually. There is clearly no argument that sometimes jet trails do fill the entire sky, blocking the sun and essentially changing the weather. That can be a problem. It certainly annoys me when I'm expecting sunshine in the afternoon only to find jet trails have buggered that up.
@SabreTooth Why do you know about jet emissions?
 
Sabre Tooth
Sabre Tooth
PhD
 
Caleb
Caleb
@fredsbend It's less about the volume of water involved and more about the amount of air consumed and ejected by a jet engine and the rapid compression/expansion (and hence heating and cooling) it undergoes. And that volume is massive. And yes cruising altitude and average weather conditions often are just the right combination of humidity, temperature and barometric pressure to cause the visible effect you see from the ground.
 
fredsbend
fredsbend
You obviously work for them. You're obviously in on it and you do know exactly what it is they're spewing into the sky. It's cuz you want to make us all sick so you can control us. ;)
 
Sabre Tooth
Sabre Tooth
@Caleb yes, this!
 
fredsbend
fredsbend
10:13 AM
@Caleb Sounds reasonable.
 
Sabre Tooth
Sabre Tooth
@fredsbend yes, yes we do
you will be assimilated, resistance is futile
 
fredsbend
fredsbend
@TRiG The section on Venezuela does not support the claim that you read: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/…
@SabreTooth At least then I'll be happy.
 
Caleb
Caleb
@fredsbend Have you ever seen a clear day turn cloudy spontaneously without any planes going by? When the clouds don't come from anywhere they just form? If you haven't you aren't paying attention and I suggest an experiment in time-lapse-photography.
Anywhoooo---days when jet trails stick around and "fill the sky" are just days when conditions are just about right for forming clouds but the line hasn't been crossed. Even minor amounts of turbulence and pressure changes can trip the system and set off a chain reaction of condensation that forms lasting cloud formations (albeit very elongated!) The change to the weather was happening anyway.
 
Sabre Tooth
Sabre Tooth
@Caleb that's my power in action
 
Caleb
Caleb
@SabreTooth Wizardry is all about knowing exactly when to wave your wand ;-)
 
Sabre Tooth
Sabre Tooth
10:19 AM
@Caleb exactly, I once sneezed, holding the wand, and all of a sudden Pluto was not a planet anymore....oops
 
fredsbend
fredsbend
@SabreTooth lol
 
Sabre Tooth
Sabre Tooth
the Plutonians were most displeased
 
fredsbend
fredsbend
@Caleb A catalyst effect. That makes some sense. Yes, I think I have seen clouds forming on timelapse videos.
 
Caleb
Caleb
 
fredsbend
fredsbend
What I would really like to see is a meta analysis of whether data (pressure, humidity, etc.) and the formation of jet trails and if there is any correlation.
 
Caleb
Caleb
10:25 AM
Those white things don't come out of a machine somewhere and blow in. They form in situ. At any given time something like 1/3 of the surface of the planet is in the process of clouds being formed out of nowhere.
@fredsbend I've actually seen such a thing, but have no idea where to find it.
 
Sabre Tooth
Sabre Tooth
@fredsbend tat could be a question for ES.SE
 
fredsbend
fredsbend
@Caleb Typically over the sea though. Not usually inland.
 
Caleb
Caleb
I shared an office for a number of years with a guy who was a serious weather geek.
 
fredsbend
fredsbend
@SabreTooth Which one is ES? Earth Science?
 
Sabre Tooth
Sabre Tooth
yup
@Caleb we can get scary sometimes, did he have a weather wand too?
 
fredsbend
fredsbend
10:32 AM
bed time. bye
Maybe someone wants to take over here: christianity.stackexchange.com/questions/34815/…
 
Sabre Tooth
Sabre Tooth
good night!
aaaaah "hello"
 
 
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Does Elisha speak?
Does Elisha speak?
2:54 PM
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Q: Changes to reputation without an inbox message?

Reluctant_Linux_UserI've notice that my reputation has been going up and down (relatively small quantities) between visits. I suppose up moves might be explained by accepted edits and the like. However, how can my rating go down without it being an event occurring which would crop up in my recent inbox messages? I'l...

support bug reputation
 
 
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maj nem ɪz dæn
maj nem ɪz dæn
4:54 PM
@Caleb crazy
 
AJ Henderson
AJ Henderson
5:43 PM
@Caleb so they are a dude?
@Caleb odd, I've only had that happen once or twice
 
AJ Henderson
AJ Henderson
5:59 PM
@TRiG in fairness, I'd argue that is more how we have gone wrong as a society, not a religious problem. The religious side doesn't want to turn them in, but fear of the government makes people fear that they are supposed to
now that said, the politicization of religion is awful
but I'm not sure that particular situation is evidence of it
@fredsbend I have around 1% native blood anyway, my grandmother was just over the 3% minimum to qualify for native benefits if she wanted to
but I do tend to fall in similar lines of being strongly opposed to illegal immigration, but also strongly in favor of opening up more legal options
kind of similar to that one blog post
and that's more out of a spirit of fairness. It isn't fair that we allow someone who broke the rules (however unfair) to stick around while someone who played by the rules is stuck out in the cold
 
Ask Elisha
Ask Elisha
6:25 PM
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Q: What is the shortest work by Thomas Aquinas?

user8535For class, I am required to read any work by Thomas Aquinas. Now I know that he has written many, many books, but I want to know which is the shortest, or most wholesome to read. Something that will give me a general understanding of his ideas. Reading the entirety of the summa theologia doesn't ...

religion christianity literature
 
 
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fredsbend
fredsbend
7:50 PM
@AJHenderson The minimum is only 3%. I thought is was 1/16 or about 6%. At 3% you're saying that it is 1/32 which means you only need one great-great grandparent to be a full blood native.
That's so diluted! Why are the tribes wanting to have so much "not-indian" considered as part of the tribe?
Are they assimilating to such an extent that full bloods are more and more rare?
@Caleb I'm sorry but that is ambiguous. Are those your words or his (her's)?
@AJHenderson Well, I honestly don't really care much about "fairness" in this situation. I care much more what they can give to society while they are here. Willing to work and skilled. Sure. Come on over. Willing to sponge, join a gang, never learn English, burn the flag or otherwise show a hate for the country in which you live. Sorry. Get lost.
 
AJ Henderson
AJ Henderson
8:33 PM
@fredsbend no idea
@fredsbend yeah, I just have a fundamental problem with saying to person A who wants to come over and be helpful "well hey, you ignored the rules, broke in, but you seem alright, so you can stay" while simultaneously telling Person B, "well, you may be just as qualified as person A, but you followed the rules and aren't here already, so you have to stay where you are"
Ideally, I'd like to keep A and B I suppose, but I don't want to keep A unless we can keep all of B
 
Caleb
Caleb
8:49 PM
@fredsbend I'm on mobile and can't see what this is a reply to. What are you asking about?
 
 
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fredsbend
fredsbend
10:09 PM
@Caleb Did the user "hello" say she is a member of the the prettier sex or did she plainly say she is a woman?
@AJHenderson Ideally, yes, I suppose I agree. But A is already here. There's far less cost involved, plus he'r already proven that he will do well, while B has only promised such, which is a risk that he won't do well.
It's easier, cheaper, and less risk to just keep A. This is of course assuming that we can't have both A and B.
 
AJ Henderson
AJ Henderson
@fredsbend yeah, if we can have both, it is a non-issue
 
TRiG
TRiG
10:36 PM
@fredsbend You people are weird about flags.
Come to Ireland. Burn as many flags as you please. People will be confused.
(Warning: Do not attempt in Northern Ireland. That's a very different place.)
 

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