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A bit glad now I decided to do the whole alphabet instead of just the first ten or so. Turned out to take more lines than I expected.

curiousdannii

12:51 AM

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Q: What are the common elements of belief about salvation that most Protestant & Evangelical denominations share?

Many Protestant and Evangelical Christian churches were founded on similar beliefs about what the nature of salvation is and where these ideas come from in scripture. What are these common elements of belief? ANSWER: Written in the founding statements of faith of all of the main Protestant Chr...

Would it be appropriate to roll this back to version 12?

fredsbend

1:05 AM

@curiousdannii I had the same thought last night. Do it. I'll support you. Editing your closed question is not an opportunity to answer it yourself in the question space. That is an abuse of the edit privilege and site function.

@Hello I'm fine. I was in for a quick sec but ran right back out. Please don't call me fred. It's fredsbend.

I'd like to highlight this meta issue I raised yesterday morning.

Q: Do we need more reviewers?

I was not logged in for some reason (maybe the cookie expired or something) when I click my bookmark to the C.SE review queue. This is what I saw: This is all the review tasks that are available for anyone who hasn't done them yet. Once logged in, they all say zero tasks available for me. Wha...

discussion vote-to-close review-queue

Perhaps some of the old guys who've been on SE since the sixth day can weight in.

Sabre Tooth

@fredsbend I see what you did there...:p

Sabre Tooth

1:32 AM

I was asked either here or somewhere near here, what sparked my 'deconversion' to Atheism - I would have to say one of the big reasons, for me, is hypocrisy - which includes judgemental behaviour.

curiousdannii

Is it possible to judge and critique without being judgemental?

Sabre Tooth

I am not really willing (nor have time) to debate these things, but know that I am not so eloquent with my words

(especially when I am writing school reports on another screen)

Hello

@fredsbend- my protestant question wasn't closed, it was held up, and there was no space to prepare an answer, so I drew a line across the question and included the answer.

@fredsbend maybe not a line but separated the question top, from the answer below

Sabre Tooth

@Hello that is not how it works, you need to improve your question to get the hold voted off

Hello

@sabre yes I edited the question as well,

Sabre Tooth

1:43 AM

then it is up to the members to vote to reopen (or a mod to reopen it), if it meets the question-standards of the site

Hello

@fredsbend-how are you fredsbend tonight, depending on which side of the world you are on, it might be, how are you today? day and night, light and darkness, like Gen 1

Sabre Tooth

it seems that it has been voted as being 'too broad', perhaps (and this is just a suggestion based on the comments) focus on one group that you have some contention with (e.g. JW's, Mormons, Atheists, Pastafarians, etc etc)

@curiousdannii would the advice I said above be correct?

@curiousdannii but continuing from before - I do see that religion has a definite place in society and society (and culture) would be bereft without it - but for me, I have found meaning in Science and Maths - equations and formulae inherently have errors and uncertainties, but they don't lie

fredsbend

2:30 AM

@Hello I'm fine. I live in the NW USA so it is dark about 6:30 right now.

@Hello Sorry for the confusion. On-hold is a semantic thing they started about six months ago. If just used to be called closed.

A question is "closed to new answers".

They thought (the SE staff) that new users might feel put off by the wording, so they changed it to "on-hold" so that there is an inherent indication in the wording that it can be released to receive answers again. If it is not reopened in 7 days, it is changed to "closed".

Nothing changes except the word. It is the exact same thing.

I started on SE before this semantic change, so sometimes I still say "closed" when it happens to actually say "on-hold" on the post.

BTW, I voted to reopen on the current version of that question. I think it is sufficiently scoped now.

There are two active reopen votes on it. It needs five total or one from a Mod.

It was, however, inappropriate to have placed an answer in the question space.

If it get's reopened (has the hold taken off) then you can certainly post an answer in the answer space.

@SabreTooth I didn't realize that you'd only been an SE member for two months.

I thought for sure I had seen that handle on here.

I very well could have I guess. There's no restriction on handle repeats.

Hello

3:28 AM

@fredsbend r u in here now? what does it mean when the pics 'in the room' are on the board but faded? re names, my Hello name has two other users but they might have a slight variation on it and maybe they aren't online much? I have never seen them put the name is in the users x 3 thanks- NW USA near Vancouver you said?

Does Elisha speak?

4:27 AM

Q: What does the participation tab on the users page on the meta site mean?

I was checking out the users page on the meta site (I know, must have been really board) and this is what I saw: Does this mean I have the most participation on meta than anybody? That can't be right. Does it mean that I have the most meta participation within a certain time frame? I can buy t...

support user-interface

David Stratton

5:14 AM

@Hello It pretty much means that they were in here recently, but not recently enough that the server can verify that they're still around. After a certain amount of inactivity, it assumes they've left the room and it get sfaded.

Hello

5:35 AM

@DavidStratton thanks, just before I logged in, it said 7 or 8 users in this room, but only your pic and mine are showing now, are they in another room, or gone now?

David Stratton

probably they're gone. it looks like curiousdanii is still around. You do understand that the best that the site can do is track the most recent page load and make a guess as to whether a person is still around, right? Like, i could make a post now and log off immediately and go to bed, and the web server has no way of knowing that I'm logged off and on my way to bed. It can only know how recently I've posted to the page...

Short version: I view this chat room, and the web server knows I'm here for that one millisecond. The server has no way of knowing if I've left the page. keeping that in mind, how is it to know if I'm "here"? So the programmers that wrote this site **probably wrote some code that says " After X minutes of inactivity from any given user, show them as faded".

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svidgen

6:42 AM

@DavidStratton they could tie it to some sort of persistent connection, like a comet-style poll or web socket dealeo ... It puzzles me that this intermediate status exists -- at least for the seemingly long time that it does.

In fact, I thought they did. ... I always figured the grayed out status was more like, "signed into chat, at least one SE page open, but idle in the room"

7 hours later…

Does Elisha speak?

1:35 PM

Q: Does the system automatically deduct your down or upvotes to another's question, from your own reputation pots?

Does the system automatically deduct your own down or upvotes to another's question, from your own total of reputation points>

bug

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TRiG

5:35 PM

@svidgen I often leave chat rooms open in a different tab. That means I'm not likely to see anything said unless it's an @-mention, which sticks an asterisk in the URL and plays a ping noise to wake me up. (Well, it would play a ping noise if I had speakers on this computer.)

3 hours later…

El'endia Starman

8:25 PM

I do the same as @TRiG, except that I actually check the chat rooms I'm in every so often.

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