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8:04 AM
What should happen to my question?
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Q: If Jesus died on a Wednesday, where did the tradition of Good Friday come from?

FlimzyAs suggested by this question and this answer, it seems likely that Jesus actually died on a Wednesday, not on a Friday. If this is accurate, where did the tradition of Good Friday come from? (And should we instead be celebrating Good Wednesday, Maunday Tuesday, and Ash Monday, etc?)

The answers are all answering the question "On which day did Jesus die?"
Which seems somewhat relevant, but also more appropriate for this question.
I could re-write my question, then mark it a duplicate of the other....
 
 
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9:27 AM
Didn't think it was possible, but I got Revival!
 
heh
congrats
 
@Flimzy I edited the question to put emphasis that we assume Jesus died on Wednesday here
because that's how I think the question should be answered
 
Well, there's a fundamental problem with that question...
And that is that the Good Friday tradition formed about 1800 years before anyone assumed Christ died on a Wednesday.
Maybe I should write my own answer to that effect :)
 
@Flimzy that isn't clear from the answers
 
Right... I came to that conclusion after reading some of the articles that Bruce mentioned in comments
I think I will provide my own answer
 
9:36 AM
@Flimzy that's good. Maybe rollback my edits on the question then?
 
sure
 
9:57 AM
@dancek: Did you ever make your quoting-style feature request on meta.SO?
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Q: Visually distinguish Bible quotes from other quotes

dancekI'd like to see Bible quotes have a style of their own. They're very centric to the site, but we have a lot of other quotes, too. It would be great to be visually able to distinguish them. A possible implementation would be to have a "hint" not unlike the syntax highlighting language hints used ...

 
@Flimzy no
 
I think you should :)
I bet other SO sites would find having two quoting styles useful as well.
And if you do, you're guaranteed +5 rep on meta.SO from me :)
 
@Flimzy hmm, I will then :)
 
Or if you don't want to, I might do it myself... but it was your idea, so you should get the credit if you want it
I suppose you see my comment suggesting '>>' instead of <!-- foo --> as the new syntax, too... I think that would improve the acceptability across the entire SO network... but it's your feature, so you can request it however you like :)
 
10:17 AM
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Q: Alternate (visually distinguishable) blockquote style

dancekI first asked for this feature on Meta.Christianity.SE. @Flimzy pointed out that this would probably benefit many others, too. I'd like to see a visually distinct alternate blockquote style. This would be very useful for distinguishing quotes from the Bible and other sources in †.SE. But I'm qui...

@Flimzy yeah, I thought it the better one so suggested it as the primary syntax
 
sweet... upvoted :)
I suggest editing your original post with the link to the new one, too...
(I didn't actually realize SE supports the various language formats... )
Although their tag-based formatting doesn't work for Bible quotes, where you can't tell a Bible quote based on the tags anyway, and even if you could, there's no way to know if the same article contains non-Bible quotes as well
 
@Flimzy yep.. but I gather the legacy comment-based version still exists
 
Yeah, I hope so... even many SO posts contain snippets in multiple languages.
I wonder what the tag-based styling does when you have
Maybe we could have <!-- translation: foo --> for a unique quoting style for each translation :P
 
10:52 AM
Why am I still awake.. again?
 
@Flimzy. You're not as bad as me, are you?
Four minuites to midday here.
 
It's 6am here
... and I'm supposed to be somewhere at 9am
maybe I just won't sleep
 
@Flimzy. Sleep. Just a couple of hours still makes a difference.
 
11:09 AM
@dancek: Your feature request is only 1 vote away from tying with the feature request I made yesterday
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Q: Filter "read questions"

FlimzyI expect this feature had already been suggested, but I can't find it in a search... so maybe not. I would like the ability to view "Unread" messages on the Questions page. I guess I would see this as another tab to go along with newest, featured, faq, votes, active, and unanswered. And it wou...

and mine has 4 close votes :(
eep
I hope they all came in before I clarified that I'm not asking for a duplicate feature
Okay, I'm going to take @TRiG's advice, and sleep for a few hours
good night/morning
 
12:11 PM
@TRiG: If you actually understood that God is just and that in order to uphold a standard of morality and justice he must judge, spitting in his face would be the last thing you would want to do. You would want to throw yourself down and beg for his grace, which he bestows on any who would receive them.
Salvation is the process of being rescued from having God as judge and having him become your father instead.
 
@Caleb. I've been known to call myself a reluctant atheist. I'd quite like to think there's a benign force out there. I just don't see any evidence for it. But there are some conceptions of the deity which I'm very glad are fictional. And the Calvinist God is one of them. I am very very glad he's not real.
 
@TRiG that you call yourself a "reluctant atheist" is actually very nice to hear!
 
@TRiG you were a JW right?
 
@BeatMe. Aye.
 
you're an atheist now but don't like it? or why the reluctant
 
12:26 PM
@TRiG The problem with a 'benign force' is that if such a thing existed and didn't use its power to reward good, punish evil and right wrongs it would be an unjust force. That's the kind of God I'm very glad is not real.
 
@BeatMe. I try my best to go with what seems to be true, rather than what I'd like to think.
 
;)
 
@Caleb. I'm not at all convinced that the Calvinist God is "just" except by by some strange esoteric definition of the word.
And now I must go to lunch.
See ye.
 
@TRiG Esoteric definition? I honestly have no idea what could be esoteric about 'rewarding good and punishing bad according to an explicit standard of right and wrong' as a definition of just.
 
isn't the problem that he set the standard of right and wrong himself?
 
12:35 PM
The only question of justice as Calvanists (an incidentally many other branches of Christianity) would define God is that he is too lenient and sets perpetrators free. How that action can also be just was the subject of this question:
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Q: What is the verdict on an unjust judge?

CalebIn order to ask this, let me set a stage. This is just a scenario that will be recast in a second. As Christians we believe that God is good. We trumpet his justice, rightness, holiness, and so on and so forth. We say that he is the true standard of what goodness and justice are. When we make ju...

@BeatMe Problem? When there isn't a higher or more perfect thing or being to appeal to, it hardly seems to be a problem that the standard be set by him.
 
but he himself told us that there isn't a higher and more perfect thing, so yes indeed, anyone telling that to me and making his own rules troubles me
for all I know, just because god told you he would'nt decieve you, doesn't necessarily make the statement true
i did read sometime ago a good article, on how god could be the bad guy and satan actually the good one ;)
 
@TRiG I only now read your comment. I'm not a Calvinist and don't really fancy all of that stuff. But it's quite obvious from the Bible that human beings actually do deserve to be damned for their sins. I don't know of a mainstream Christian church that teaches otherwise. (I don't consider JWs mainstream, but a separate religion)
 
@BeatMe What's he to do if it's true? Do what some natives did when they couldn't explain how the world is held up and make something up? It's on the back of an elephant on the back of a giant turtle ... and so on? Is God supposed to appeal to some imaginary set of standards made by some guy named Bob just to satisfy you that he isn't the end of the line? Do you expect it to be circular and God to reference his creation (us) as his standard?
 
can you expand that, i can't follow you right now
 
losangeles.cbslocal.com/2011/09/20/… I just don't understand things happening in the USA
 
12:51 PM
@BeatMe You object to a being who claims to be the end of the line when it comes to defining right and wrong, but any question of authority has to end somewhere. There has to be a reference point. Whatever you say that thing is is your god.
Your objection does not take into consideration that as the end of the line, there is no other sane, rational or moral thing to do except using yourself as the standard/authority in the matter.
 
well, today's morality does not come from god, but what we as a society percieve as moral
but we got that question already covered ;)
so yes, i take into consideration that I use myself or the general society as a moral judge instead of something at the end of authority
if any tyrann claims to be the end of authority in his country and he decides whats wrong or good, you would question that too
I question your god, thats just a extention
 
@BeatMe ....which makes you a humanist. I assert that humans are demonstrably corrupt and thus not a good thing to base your religion on.
I would further assert that God has not only stated but demonstrated himself to be un-corrupt and thus a good thing to base one's beliefs on. Besides we don't exactly have another option.
 
you base your religion on a book thats written by humans
only your faith that these humans were led by god is the difference
I don't know if un-corruption is a good base to base our belief on
you assert that he's good, but if we do not assert that, he might be uncorruptable but wrong in his judgement
thats just the point I'm trying to make
you assert things about god and base your religion on it, but you and I shouldn't assert things without a doubt
I don't think someone is "just" just because he said he is while doing things that seem cruel and unjust to me
including god or any other authority
 
1:11 PM
@Caleb The problem is that your God actually isn't moral by any non-circular definition. Humanism at least has the virtue of being self-consistent.
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@TRiG now I feel dumb :P
 
Incidentally, and I think this information may be a good fit for StackEchange, the Bible requires binary communication.
@BeatMe No need for that. Making the same point in different ways is often useful.
Has this site ever discussed the Euthyphro dilemma?
The Euthyphro dilemma is found in Plato's dialogue Euthyphro, in which Socrates asks Euthyphro: "Is the pious (τὸ ὅσιον) loved by the gods because it is pious, or is it pious because it is loved by the gods?" (10a) The dilemma has had a major effect on the philosophical theism (faith) of the monotheistic religions, but in a modified form: "Is what is morally good commanded by God because it is morally good, or is it morally good because it is commanded by God?" Ever since Plato's original discussion, this question has presented a problem for some theists (believers), though others have tho...
 
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Q: Is an action morally good because God commands it, or does God command it because it is good?

FabianThe christian morality derives from God, and God is benevolent so whatever he commands is morally good. Does that mean that anything God does or commands is morally right? Or does God only act and command that which is morally good? If it is the former, would any act, no matter how despicable i...

 
@BeatMe Ah. Thanks. Hadn't seen that one.
 
@TRiG but the question I see is where does human morality come from?
 
1:23 PM
@waxeagle Chimps.
 
who sets that?
 
That was actually a serious answer. But I'm in work now.
 
@TRiG I think I see where you are going, you are basically saying that human morality evolved naturally?
 
LOL. 12 huh?
...
12...one of the most special numbers in the Bible... O.O
 
@waxeagle yes
 
1:26 PM
And in that vein...
"And may you have the power to understand, as all God’s people should, how wide, how long, how high, and how deep his love is. "
Four-dimensional love! :P
 
The evolution of morality refers to the emergence of human moral behavior over the course of human evolution. Morality can be defined as a system of ideas about right and wrong conduct. In everyday life, morality is typically associated with human behavior and not much thought is given to the social conducts of other creatures. The emerging fields of evolutionary biology and in particular sociobiology have demonstrated that, though human social behaviors are complex, the precursors of human morality can be traced to the behaviors of many other social animals. Sociobiological explanations o...
 
@BeatMe I think this is a narrative that most Christians would reject full on. However, I think there is some value to it. If we take the first several chapters of Genesis as a real history (or at least a real approximation of history), then it would be safe from my perspective, to assume that following Eden Humans had an innate sense (at least to some degree) of right and wrong. (Tree of knowledge of Good and Evil, Cain's shame at the killing of Abel etc)
 
@TRiG God _being_the standard of morality is not circular, humanism is where the circular definitions are at. In Christianity there isn't a circle, it's more like a tree with a root. Or a fountain head. A single permanent source rather than a shifting, evolving cross referential one.
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yes it is, he is your standard of morality because he told you, thats a circular argument
 
@BeatMe No he is the standard because there is nothing outside of himself to appeal to, and he was that standard long before he told me about it :)
 
1:34 PM
and yet he himself told you there is nothing outside of himself, how can you not see that this is a circular argument, no matter how you say it
 
@BeatMe It's kinda hard to have someone/something else outside of an infinite and eternal God... :P
 
god exists because it is written in the bible, the bible is written by god, its the same argument and it's circular
yes, but god defined him that way..
 
@BeatMe It's not circular because it has only one step. Circular things step by step bring you back to where you started. What I'm trying to say is that there is just one RDP and that's it. Nothing about "telling", no references, just the absolute standard.
 
i think we agree to disagree ;)
 
@BeatMe What then would you call "God" if there was a greater being than Him?
 
1:37 PM
i call noone god ;)
 
and another thing I learned today ;)
 
@BeatMe That the Bible is a book written by humans is a pre-supposition you make that you then proceed to base your entire worldview on. Your argument about circularity only holds any weight if that presupposition is in fact true.
 
first I don't base my worldview on the bible
 
@ElendiaStarman Ha ha ... I referenced that earlier too, just not as succinctly.
 
1:42 PM
@Caleb Yes, you did. :P
 
@BeatMe I didn't say that. I said you base you worldview on the Bible being the OPPOSITE of what it claims to be.
 
second, I don't think you're right, using the bible as evidence for god is in itself an circular argument, no matter if he wrote it himself, humans wrote it or he spoke to humans who wrote it
 
Well, gotta head to class! Seeya!
 
@ElendiaStarman Byebye.
 
1:54 PM
@BeatMe I haven't used the Bible as evidence for the existence of God (and wouldn't even need to do so to argue enough of his nature to conclude that he must need to be the standard of morality). You were the one that kept bringing up the Bible and it's authorship as part of this discussion.
@BeatMe Everything on that page is pretty much straw-men. I've stated pretty clearly on the main site and a couple times in chat about pre-suppositions. Atheists make them as much as Christians do. It's not quite the same as begging a question, although it's quite as futile if both sides don't acknowledge that they are making them.
 
@caleb, you use the bible as evidence for a good and just god, don't you?
oh, you stated you don't need the bible to conclude he's the standard of morality
sry
 
2:34 PM
boy I've really slowed down over the last two days
only got 14 rep yesterday
 
3:22 PM
@waxeagle We're a social species. We wouldn't get far without morality.
 
@TRiG this is true, but the real question is who or what set that morality, sure you could argue evolution, but is that really a solid reason?
 
@waxeagle Fairly solid. I'm not the best expert on animal behaviour, but chimps certainly have a sense of fair play, as experiments with rewards have shown.
 
4:14 PM
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Q: Is there any correlation between national prosperity and percentage of Christians?

WikisI have heard of anecdotal evidence suggesting that the proportion of Christians in a population directly (positively) impacts national prosperity. In other words, the more Christians in a nation, the richer the nation becomes. Possible current examples include India and China which are apparentl...

But now I have the data I don't know what the best way to graph it/come to a conclusion (I'm not a statistician). The data is here if anyone wants it: secondreality.co.uk/christianity.csv
 
@CiscoIPPhone. I'm not sure that that's an interesting question. As in, the answer doesn't bring us anywhere. But anyway. Never mind.
Incidentally, phenomenon (sing.) | phenonema (pl.).
 
Hey guys ... we've got a problem user that keeps asking new questions with sock-puppet accounts. We've been merging them with the root user, and we really don't know whether to ever expect quality participation from this user. I have closed a couple of the questions that are obviously problematic, but there are a few that might be worth something. Does anybody expect this to be valuble in it's current form?
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Q: Why did God have to invent Christianity, which is quite different from Judaism, if he is perfect?

TrothI am stunned and dumbfounded that God needed two shots at setting up a religion, and yet has only created mankind once. How is this possible?

 
@Caleb. I think there's a decent question in there somewhere.
But I'm not sure I'm the best judge.
 
If not but anybody thinks it's valuble, I would suggest somebody asking a quality question along the same lines and I can merge this one into the new one.
It's one of those things that is a common question/allegation and it could be addressed, but from an OP who's clearly trolling (and suspended for long enough he won't be able to participate) I don't think it's a very valuable thing. We could edit it into shape but I'd be fine with making it somebody elses question if they have an idea how to make it into something quality.
 
@Caleb Well, not me. Not today, anyway. I've got enough controvercial questions under my belt for now (including one or two I didn't expect to be controvercial). And besides, I'm busy today.
 
4:36 PM
@TRiG controversial*
 
@CiscoIPPhone. I thought it didn't look right. In primary school, I was in a remidial English class for my spelling. It didn't help much. What did help, actually, was becoming interested in etymology.
 
@Caleb I'll take a stab at asking a good question that'll answer his
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Q: Why did God create a new covenant?

a_hardinWhy did God create a new covenant? It seems as if he had a covenant set in place in the Old Testament and provided a means for Israel to follow the covenant and offer sacrifices to atone for their sins. Why did he create a new covenant in the New Testament which is the basis of Christianity? D...

 
@a_hardin +1'd. :)
 
4:56 PM
Hopefully it's not argumentative, and it seems like the answers on Troth's troll answer it pretty well.
 
5:09 PM
@a_hardin Closed as dup and merged answers into yours.
 
@Caleb I flagged gmoothart's comment
 
@a_hardin He beat me to deleting them. :P
 
5:31 PM
I wonder whose reputation is the most variable. Mine goes up and down quite a lot on this site.
 
heh
Mine varies a lot, but generally in the 'upward' direction
 
Ooh. Got a badge for a starred comment.
 
that's fun :)
 
Are you awake yet, @Flimzy?
 
Yes, I'm awake
 
5:36 PM
I wouldn't be, after that little sleep.
I don't know why I hang about in chat so much on this site, but almost never visit on any other SE site.
 
I just had a grande white mocha from Starbucks
This is the only SE chat room I ever visit--with very rare exception.
 
white mocha? didn't know that existed... MUST HAVE
 
What?! Where do you live @a_hardin?
Indiana, eh?
Some of the U.S. stores I've been to didn't have white chocolate, but that's been a few years.
 
southern indiana... but when i go to starbucks it's usually a tall bold
now it'll probably change... love white chocolate
 
And here in Mexico, many don't list it on their menu (including the one I was at today), but when I ask for it they usually/always have it
 
5:39 PM
giggle. I've never had a white mocha either. White hot chocolate, sure (though I only know one place in town which does them). Perhaps I should spend more time in Galway.
Galway is the centre of the universe. I believe that. nod
 
What is Galway? A coffee shop franchise?
Or I suppose in (much of?) Europe, "coffee shop" means something else, eh?
So I should I say.. a Cafe franchise?
 
Galway (, ) or City of Galway (Cathair na Gaillimhe) is a city in County Galway, Republic of Ireland. It is the fifth largest and the fastest-growing city in Ireland. It is also the third largest city within the Republic and the only city in the Province of Connacht. Located on the west coast of Ireland, it sits on the River Corrib between Lough Corrib and Galway Bay. The population of Galway's Borough area is 75,414 according to the 2011 census. Etymology The city takes its name from the Gaillimh river (River Corrib) that formed the western boundary of the earliest settlement, which w...
I bet that's what he meant
 
Ah
 
@ahardin. Yes.
 
5:42 PM
Ireland is near the top of places I'd love to visit
 
Galway is ... special. It's a university town, with (I think) more students than permanent residents. And a lot of tourists. It somehow feels more Irish than the rest of Ireland, and yet simultaneously feels quite Mediterranian in good weather. And I have a fair few friends there.
And technically it's a city.
But it's tiny.
@a_hardin I've been to the two places at the top of my list: Venice and Barcelona. But both for very short times. (Only a day in Venice. Arrived by night train from Paris, left on night train to Nice.)
 
i spent 4 hours in venice looking for the way home
walking through empty streets
 
@BeatMe: Sounds like a Country Western song.
 
we thought we were clever and searched for a restaurant not quite in the tourists street
 
I spent one night in Bangkok, and the world's your oyster...
 
5:47 PM
but then we were in the middle of the part in venice where they live and every restaurant had closed at midday
and it took forever to get out again ^^
 
@BeatMe But I thought getting lost in the back streets was one of the main tourist activities in Venice?
 
@BeatMe is it not exactly laid out in a north/south/east/west grid? :)
 
we sometimes didn't see anyone for 20 minutes, so no other visitors beside us there ;)
 
Anyway, it's so small you can't get lost for long. My parents and I ended up in the old Jewish quarter, which still looked a little run down compared to the rest of the place.
 
i don't know how we did it :D
 
5:50 PM
@a_hardin Venice isn't laid out on any grid. I get the impression that it's a bit like London: it wasn't planned; it just happened. There's an ancient map of Venice in the Vatican museum which is still accurate. The streets haven't changed for many decades.
 
Gotta love getting lost in foreign cities... that's what I always remember the most about my trips.... for good or bad... :)
 
6:09 PM
@Flimzy I think that speciallist meanings of coffee shop apply only to the Netherlands. Round here, it would just mean "coffee shop". But café would be the more usual term.
 
I had some German friends who lived here in Mexico for a while, and when I referred to a "coffee shop" they were taken aback, thinking I meant the Netherlands meaning.
So it must have spread outside of the Netherlands at least a little bit...
Or maybe they just learned English in the Netherlands :)
 
@Flimzy I've never actually been to the Netherlands, and I was asleep when I was in Germany (night train from Vienna to Strasbourg), so I don't know anything of those two countries.
 
is it possible to award a bounty to yourself?
 
Not directly, anyway.
@a_hardin I don't think so. You could try.
 
@a_hardin: I think maybe you can, but you don't actually get the rep?
 
6:17 PM
I hope I don't want to, but if I have to I'll write a better answer for my question at the end of the week.
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Q: What are the differences between the different millenialisms?

a_hardinRevelation 20:1-6 tells of 1000 years in which Christ will reign. I've heard there are different views on this 1000 years, mainly premillenialism, postmillenialism, and amillenialism. What are the differences between these views of the millenium in Rev 20:1-6? (Especially concerning the differ...

 
INdeed
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Q: A bounty worth 0 reputation

Koperhttp://stackoverflow.com/questions/1451694/is-there-a-way-to-diff-files-from-c/1472965#1472965 How is it possible? It also looks like the user has awarded a bounty himself. Is it because two accounts were merged?

 
cool
 
...I can't help but wonder if anyone will ever be at 1000+ or something and then destroy all of that rep by awarding bounties to themselves... :P
 
@ElendiaStarman Well, it's possible. Unlikely, I'd say.
So, does Pat Robertson's brief moment of empathy excuse his unorthadoxy?
 
@ElendiaStarman: I saw a discussion on meta.SO about the new bounty reasons... someone asked "Why must I wait 24 hours to award a bounty if the reason is "to reward an existing answer?"
and one of the mods said "Wouldn't that make it too easy to just transfer all your rep?"
So there's at least the thought about bulk rep transfers
although I don't know if it's ever happened
 
6:30 PM
@Flimzy: Huh, interesting.
 
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Q: I want to award a bounty to an existing answer, should I have to wait 24 hours?

fredleyI set an incentive bounty on Minecraft: Harvesting cobblestone (before the new bounty system was announced). Once a qualifying answer had been posted, I clicked to start the bounty, and was confronted with the new bounty system. I selected that I'd like to reward an existing answer, but it's stil...

 
6:51 PM
Bah. I meant to leave the office before dark today. I really must get my home internet fixed. Bye all.
 
Cheers
 
@TRiG Seeya! :)
 
7:33 PM
@Flimzy I just ran into that today... I wanted to give some rep to someone with an awesome answer, and now I have to wait
 
7:49 PM
Has anybody here heard the lastet audiobook (or read the ebook) of The Magic Of Reality by Richard Dawkins?
especially great metaphors or mind-games for creationists relating to evolution ;)
 
 
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11:20 PM
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Q: Why are the moderators here so poor in their knowledge of Bible events

joklTake a look at Caleb's response that this event did not happen, and then right below theres a reply with a scripture. If Abraham really believed in God, why did he lie and let Pharaoh take Sarah? Why didn't God protect him?

 
@StackExchange sigh
 
11:39 PM
@waxeagle, are you around?
 

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