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11:01 AM
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in body, bad keyword in title, bad pattern in URL body, link at end of body, pattern-matching website in body: Endovex Male Enhancement Pill Reviews, Price,Side Effects by edward jarnett on drupal.SE
tpu- by Glorfindel
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] URL in title, bad keyword in body, bad keyword in title, link at end of body, pattern-matching website in body, +2 more: maleenhancementshop.info/endovex/ by kareniallen on drupal.SE
tpu- by MAR
 
Weight 679
 
could we start thinking about going up to four autoflags on significant scores like that?
 
I think so
 
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] URL in title, link at end of body, link following arrow in body, pattern-matching website in body, pattern-matching website in title, +1 more: maximizedmuscleideas.com/alpha-male-ex/ by Dimauro on drupal.SE
 
Will 4 nuke it?
 
11:05 AM
tpu- by Henders
 
@Henders no, 6.
 
@Henders 6 will
 
Ah
 
That means 2 'human' flaggers.
 
That's good
 
11:06 AM
But 4 means in case of an FP, two rash reviewers can cause spam deletion
Which is much much less than three
 
Have we already seen an autoflagged post which was initially marked tpu-, but subsequently invalidated?
 
and maybe conversely drop to 2 for scores below ... 270? we have one false positive at 261 and two more at 232
 
yeah, a gliding scale would really help.
 
a gliding scale is like a sliding scale, but faster to move?
 
metasmoke.erwaysoftware.com/flagging/logs?filter=fps is a total of 13 posts, none of them have any remaining tpu but that doesn't mean it never existed
but it would not be impossible to simply audit them one by one
 
linguee.nl/engels-nederlands/vertaling/gliding+scale.html sounds like it's just a synonym, maybe favored particularly by the Dutch
 
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] URL in title, bad keyword in body, bad keyword in title, pattern-matching website in body, pattern-matching website in title: yoursantiagingserum.com by desireemiler on apple.SE
tpu- by Glorfindel
 
@Glorfindel what's that? I just get a Rails routing error
 
@tripleee yeah, could be Dunglish.
 
@Glorfindel that is less flattering than it should be
 
11:11 AM
@tripleee because you didn't feedback on that one. Three naa-'s, and an invalidated tpu- by nobody less than Undo.
 
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in body: Regarding Schengen Business VISA by sowmya on travel.SE
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] URL in title, link following arrow in body, pattern-matching website in body, pattern-matching website in title, repeated URL at end of long post: buyhealthsupplement.com/ultra-boost-force/ by tyronehunters on graphicdesign.SE
tpu- by MAR
 
not a particularly useful post in any event, and gone now
 
Yes, and with a reason weight this low we wouldn't cast 5 autoflags ever.
 
why oh why can't you search by reason weight? would it be hard to implement? I guess a feature request already exists
 
11:15 AM
Yeah, I think two or three people asked for it
I don't mean it, I mean this
 
Guess who's the author ...
> Expose the flag weight in the search form as a searchable field
 
yeah, that's vaguely what I remembered (-:
 
@JanDvorak Mithrandir is like 14 years old
 
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] URL in title, bad keyword in body, bad keyword in title, bad pattern in URL body, blacklisted website in body, +1 more: israelbigmarket.com/dermatek-review/ by user440185 on physics.SE
tpu- by Glorfindel
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] URL in title, pattern-matching website in body, pattern-matching website in title: nitroshredadvice.com/enhance-mind-iq/ by rk5873671 on apple.SE
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] URL-only title, bad keyword in body, link at end of body, pattern-matching product name in body, pattern-matching website in body, +1 more: megacleanseradvice.com/alpha-male-ex/ by Jamestanosi on askubuntu.com (@ThomasWard)
tpu- by Ferrybig
 
We're nuking it so fast the "tpu by" messages are coming after the nuke because of the chat post limit
2
 
was there any sort of analysis of what kinds of spam we might be missing at the moment? amounts, and/or particular patterns?
 
Not that I'm aware of
Gerry might keep track of that
But he didn't tell us anything about it, if he's doing anything with all those uncaught reports
 
Glorfindel what about the dump you got via Applescript?
(Gerry?)
 
ZAQ
Sandwich
Sally
All those other names
He was previously an active contributor to the Charcoal project
 
I was already wondering who Gerry was.
I haven't done any analysis on the data.
 
11:30 AM
@Glorfindel NormalHuman
 
I hoped to upload it into metasmoke somehow, but the admins voted against that.
 
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] URL in title, pattern-matching website in body, pattern-matching website in title, repeated URL at end of long post: nitroshredadvice.com/enhance-mind-iq/ by Koi Chal on graphicdesign.SE
tpu- by tripleee
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Chinese character in title, messaging number in body, mostly non-Latin body, mostly non-Latin title: 留学多年,不要让遗憾留在最后一刻,英华教育 by Toxibbbbbb on travel.SE
tpu- by Glorfindel
 
@glorfindel the results zips seem to include a __MACOS/.{filename} entry for each file, presumably the macOS resource fork for each corresponding file in the parent directory
for text files, this probably serves absolutely no useful purpose
 
@tripleee thanks, I didn't know that. They're hidden by default.
 
I'm on a Mac and it doesn't seem to know what to do with them ...
I guess these were flagged as spam, not actually confirmed? there seems to be a fair amount of noise
 
11:47 AM
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Mostly dots in answer: How to make invite a friend to all contacts in android by Nikhil on stackoverflow.com
tpu- by tripleee
 
actually naa, OP trying to update but failing big time
 
@SmokeDetector N
 
sd f
 
11:50 AM
@tripleee User is not blacklisted.
 
Hah, ninja'd
 
meh!
 
API quota rolled over with 7248 requests remaining. Current quota: 19999.
stackoverflow: 693
math: 545
askubuntu: 241
superuser: 137
serverfault: 105
english: 74
codegolf: 70
physics: 69
unix: 65
mathoverflow.net: 61
drupal: 59
salesforce: 44
android: 37
electronics: 37
meta: 34
magento: 34
movies: 30
graphicdesign: 29
apple: 27
security: 27
mathematica: 27
ru.stackoverflow: 26
dba: 26
wordpress: 25
sharepoint: 24
workplace: 23
ell: 23
gaming: 23
arduino: 20
travel: 19
gis: 19
stats: 19
softwareengineering: 18
webapps: 16
islam: 15
chemistry: 15
tex: 15
es.stackoverflow: 14
 
@SmokeDetector That increased quota <3
@tripleee <Indifference><Exclamation mark>? How does that work? xD
 
Prrf!
 
11:52 AM
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Pattern-matching website in answer: Thickness of aluminium on Alcoa type forged aluminium wheels. by Austin Sullivan on mechanics.SE
fp- by tripleee
 
@Cerbrus paradoxical, aren't I
 
@tripleee I wouldn't expect any less from an e with legs
 
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] URL in title, pattern-matching website in body, pattern-matching website in title: www.hairlosspropecia.org/alpha-male-ex/ by gusijuhaualds24 on graphicdesign.SE
tpu- by tripleee
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Link at end of answer: How do I install custom ROM on HUAWEI Honor 4A? by Hitesh on android.SE
 
Btw that mechanics one... @tripleee are you sure that's not promotion without disclosure?
 
tpu- by MAR
 
11:57 AM
NAA plus link that's trying to sell me stuff
 
@CalvT The link does confirm the information in the answer (I checked).
 
@CalvT no other hits for that domain name, seems innocuous
 
Ok fair enough
I haven't flagged and guess my comment is enough
 
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Manually reported answer: How do I install custom ROM on HUAWEI Honor 4A? by Sam Razzy on android.SE
tpu- by tripleee
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Username similar to website in answer: Restoring database from .mdf and .ldf files of SQL Server 2008 by Technic Gang on stackoverflow.com
tpu- by tripleee
 
12:00 PM
@SmokeDetector K
 
12:11 PM
CI on 8378d53 succeeded.
 
@SmokeDetector yay
 
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in body, pattern-matching website in body, repeated URL at end of long post: it's primary to engage the unsettling by estellede on apple.SE
tpu- by tripleee
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in body, bad keyword in title, pattern-matching website in body: BioFit Garcinia Garcinia Biolift by MichaeHanson on worldbuilding.SE
tpu- by Glorfindel
 
12:34 PM
Restart: API quota is 19555.
 
12:52 PM
@M.A.R. Gerry is Normal Human
@angussidney Yes go ahead. I asked about this previously and everyone agreed but I hadn't done it yet
@tripleee Perl can actually be 0 or 1 indexed if you set a special variable
not that you should, it's deprecated
 
yeah
(maybe link back to the message you are replying to, it's sometimes hard to see the flow when it's several screens back?)
 
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in body, bad pattern in URL body, blacklisted website in body, pattern-matching website in body, repeated URL at end of long post: in month to month centrality until you send by sebawucali24 on graphicdesign.SE
tpu- by Henders
 
1:13 PM
@CalvT What stops you from reporting it?
 
I'd like to thank @tripleee for this morning's laugh. The GitHub notification I received on this PR showed up on my phone as:
> Remove breast enlargement
So...thank you.
 
@Andy at your service! (-8
 
@Magisch I don't have privs yet
 
Haven't you been here for a while?
 
@CalvT we should fix that
 
1:15 PM
Should probly think about requesting them soon
I just didn't want to muck up before I knew the system properly
 
@Andy Opinions on giving CalvT smokey privs?
 
Go for it.
 
I object!
To him not having them yet
 
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in body, bad keyword in title, link at end of body, pattern-matching website in body, repeated URL at end of long post: [Zytek XL][1] Growing numbers of human beings by user357669 on meta.SE
tpu- by Ferrybig
 
1:21 PM
!!/pull
 
@Andy CI build is still pending, wait until the build has finished and then pull again.
 
sigh Travis, why are you so slow
!!/pull
 
[ SmokeDetector ] SmokeDetector started at rev c8930d7 (A Wegner: Merge pull request #671 from magisch/patch-4) (running on teward / Midnight Eclipse)
Restart: API quota is 18994.
 
@CalvT You have permissions in this room now.
 
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in body, link at end of body, pattern-matching website in body: Personal trainers make a large impact when it comes to improving your fitness level by user357670 on meta.SE
tpu- by Ferrybig
 
1:23 PM
@Andy @Magisch @tripleee thanks :)
!!/amiprivileged
 
@CalvT ✓ You are a privileged user.
 
Btw to whom it may concern, the link on the second bullet point under What do I need to use FDSC? heading doesn't exist, so asks me to create a new page
That's on the FDSC wiki
 
@CalvT The wiki has moved IIRC
thanks for pointing that out
In short for FDSC and FIRE you'll need a MS account that is review approved
You can summon @ArtOfCode for that :p
 
Pretty sure Calv's account is approved already, no?
 
Nope
Your account is not approved to use the write API.
 
1:38 PM
Huh
What's your MS ID?
 
122
 
Done
 
Thanks
 
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in body, bad keyword in title, bad pattern in URL body, blacklisted website in body, link at end of body, +2 more: What is unadulterated testo boost x? by duvicatah on superuser.com
tpu- by CalvT
 
@SmokeDetector K
 
1:49 PM
Does Software Recs do library recommendations? Or just full software applications?
 
@Andy They have a library tag for "code libraries to write programs to accomplish specific tasks": softwarerecs.stackexchange.com/questions/tagged/library
 
I just found that :)
Thank you
 
also softwarerecs.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/28/… which links to a less specific question which however says "yes, it's okay" kind of between the lines
 
hm. out of 543 library questions there's only 272 answered.
their global answer rate isn't much better. (12,457 questions; 7,068 have at least 1 answer.)
 
1:55 PM
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Few unique characters in body: C# implementation variable by Neo on stackoverflow.com
tp- by Mithrandir
 
@SmokeDetector k
 
@CalvT: It seems this is your first time sending feedback to SmokeDetector. Make sure you've read the guidance on your privileges, the available commands, and what feedback to use in different situations.
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Blacklisted user: Equivalent of OracleParameter [C#/.NET/SQL Server] by Neo on stackoverflow.com
 
I'm 2 out of 3 on answered questions. We're about to see if I can bump that up to 75% or drop it down to 50% success rate
 
fp- by CalvT
 
1:56 PM
@Mithrandir User removed from blacklist (4343507 on stackoverflow.com).
 
@CalvT that's why I did V instead of tpu
 
@Mithrandir ok
 
If anyone is curious, or knows of a Python library that supports microdata declarations within Markdown, my question is here
 
@Andy don't suppose this is any help? stackoverflow.com/questions/15758630/…
Wait no it's not
 
Nope. I'm not looking to parse it, I'm looking to generate it. That last link in the answer is the library I found that supports reStructuredText though
Essentially, I want that...for markdown
 
2:06 PM
somehow programmatic declarations of microdata seems to be at odds with markdown
 
Yeah. I've found that mentioned a couple places too.
 
is there actually an established microdata markdown format?
i can scarcely google anything up on it
 
Good question. I don't know if there is a standard.
 
All I've found is a conversation arguing it goes against Markdown as it adds clutter
 
Link?
 
2:11 PM
I closed it, now reopening all my old tabs trying to find it...
 
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Manually reported answer: How do you SAVE user rating in rating bar? by BIMIX on stackoverflow.com
tpu- by Glorfindel
 
@Andy There's a popular thing I've found in web templating libraries which is to use a YAML header above the document to configure metadata.
So, your file might look like this:
---
title: A Series of Unfortunate Events
author: Lemony Snicket
starring:
- Neil Patrick Harris
- Patrick Warburton
- Malina Weissman
- Louis Hynes
year: 2017
type: tv
---

*A Series of Unfortunate Events* is a TV series by ...
 
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] URL in title, bad keyword in body, bad keyword in title, blacklisted website in body, blacklisted website in title, +3 more: luxmuscle.com/primalx/ by kodenotaf24 on graphicdesign.SE
tpu- by Glorfindel
 
Wait hold on you're looking at microdata, not metadata. Drat. Hm. >:l
i must be tired today.
 
2:24 PM
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in body, link at end of body, pattern-matching website in body, repeated URL at end of long post: To arrange and to begin with these items by Alent1948 on superuser.com
tpu- by Glorfindel
 
how to I train smokedetector to think that a post is spam? the post is already deleted, and since it's survived for hours sd evidently didn't detect it
 
@Gilles do you have a link? We can see if it's on Metasmoke
 
@Gilles You should've reported the post before it's deleted
 
You can use !!/report to report it here, and then we can use it for improving our filters
 
@M.A.R. when I see a spam flag, I reflexively destroy the user
valid spam flag oc
I can undelete and re-delete if it helps
 
2:27 PM
@Gilles Post 1: Could not find data for this post in the API. It may already have been deleted.
 
@Gilles Well, correct action of course. But I'm saying that there's no functionality to report deleted posts
 
ok
I must say, the documentation is pretty confusing
I don't understand what !!/report does
 
!!/report makes the bot post it here
 
@Mithrandir not what I'm after
 
Also, Smokey isn't as good at detecting spam in other languages
 
2:28 PM
I confirm that it's spam, I just want to train the bot
 
@Gilles You're after testing whether it caught the post?
 
@Gilles But if you want us to have the thing and be able to improve our filters, then yes it is
 
Then !!/test
 
@CalvT it was in English
 
Or !!/test-a or -q
 
2:29 PM
@Gilles can you provide a screenshot?
 
@M.A.R. it was around for >3 hours so I'm sure it wasn't here
 
If you !!/report it, we have it and then we can train with it
 
It's not on Metasmoke
 
@CalvT Thank a <a href="http://www.makeoverarena.com/zamob-games-music-videos-tv-series-www-zamob-‌​co-za/">lot for the update, it is really useful to me </a>
 
Last FL one on MS was 15 days ago
!!/test makeoverarena.com
 
2:30 PM
> Would not be caught for title, body, and username.
 
That websites never been caught - blacklist?
 
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Manually reported answer: How can I translate "I have improved"? by a deleted user on french.SE
tpu- by Mithrandir
 
can I re-delete now?
 
yes
 
2:31 PM
!!/test makeoverarena.com
 
> Would not be caught for title, body, and username.
 
done, thanks
 
!!/blacklist-website makeoverarena.com
 
@Undo Blacklisted makeoverarena.com
CI on ac0e53a succeeded. Message contains 'autopull', pulling...
[ SmokeDetector ] SmokeDetector started at rev ac0e53a (SmokeDetector: Auto blacklist of makeoverarena.com by Undo --autopull) (running on teward / Midnight Eclipse)
Restart: API quota is 18047.
 
@Undo don't you need to / the period so that it doesn't have regex problems?
 
2:35 PM
@Mithrandir A backslash would be 'correct', but it'll work as-is
Just means it'll match makeoverarenaxcom too, which I'm not too worried about
 
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Manually reported answer: Can I add as much RAM as I like to my old computer? by ejeta martins on superuser.com
tpu- by Undo
 
That missed the blacklist by a few minutes...
 
3:03 PM
fp- by CalvT
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in body, blacklisted website in body, link at end of body, pattern-matching website in body, repeated URL at end of long post: This is of super change and drive by yagomehoj on superuser.com
tpu- by CalvT
 
3:19 PM
fp- by Glorfindel
 
@Glorfindel User removed from blacklist (4343507 on stackoverflow.com).
 
3:37 PM
@Undo Any news on the FR on allowing people with codeadmin to reply to "You don't have Code privileges, but I've created a pull request for you" with something and then smokey approves that PR?
I saw it in chat some time ago but not on the issue tracker
 
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in body, link at end of body, pattern-matching website in body, repeated URL at end of long post: It is prepared for overcomin by Houdy vey on drupal.SE
tpu- by Henders
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Offensive answer detected: Are Pokemon farmed and eaten? by luis on scifi.SE
tpu- by MAR
 
sd - n
 
@Magisch Best thing would probably be to throw an issue on it
 
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Few unique characters in body, repeating characters in body, repeating characters in title: bye bye erszzzzzzzzrgggggggggggggggggggggggggggg by sufiya altaf on stackoverflow.com
 
sd v
 
3:42 PM
@Undo Are you generally opposed to the idea?
No need to make an issue when it won't happen in any case
 
@SmokeDetector V
 
@Magisch It would be cool but really really difficult
 
no more difficult than creating the blacklists in the first place
we have a git library - Smokey could merge them itself
 
Knowing which blacklist PR you were replying to?
 
or it could tell metasmoke to use the octokit library that it's already got installed to approve the PR
 
3:45 PM
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Offensive answer detected: What does it mean to be in the fast lane in California? by Carlos on travel.SE
 
@quartata follow the reply chain
 
that relies on the keyword being unique
 
tpu- by Glorfindel
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Pattern-matching website in body: Dynamic offset for sticky navbar not working by dondidi on stackoverflow.com
 
@quartata why would they not be
if there's more than one open PR for identical keywords, approve one and close the rest
 
fp- by DavidPostill
 
3:50 PM
I mean, sure. You just have to be careful is all.
 
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Pattern-matching website in answer: Problems reinstalling/uninstalling AVG .Anti-Virus Free Edition by Bridget Kortlever on superuser.com
tpu- by DavidPostill
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in body, link at end of body, pattern-matching website in body, repeated URL at end of long post: attempting to furnish you with greater unwavering by himaranushka on workplace.SE
tpu- by QPaysTaxes
 
@angussidney thanks for moving over some of those commands
 
4:10 PM
as you do
 
My eye twitched at this part, but then I finished the short story and all was good
> One of my friends just got a stack overflow
Is that like getting an internet?
 
@Magisch It's a fine idea, suggestions in chat just tend to die.
 
@QPaysTaxes When you try to fit a million items on the stack, something has gone horribly wrong in the concept stage
unrelated, i spent all day forcing javascript to not execute asyncronically
 
@Magisch js in a nutshell
JS is unique in that it always seems to be asynchronous when you want it to be synchronous and synchronous when you want it to be asynchronous
 
And writing general date handling without momentjs
 
5:04 PM
@Magisch JF created an issue apparently github.com/Charcoal-SE/SmokeDetector/issues/672
is there some sort of project plan and/or design spec for the NG effort?
 
5:16 PM
@tripleee apart from "I'm wrestling with databases and dulwich", no
look at issues for things to do, if you're looking
 
@ArtOfCode For a moment I read that as "in Dulwich" ;p
 
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in answer: Hide/Show Toggle Jquery by DILEEP THOMAS on stackoverflow.com
fp- by tripleee
 
@ArtOfCode I can think of a number of things which I think should be done differently but they would belong in a design spec of some sort rather than in half-baked code or issues
 
@tripleee feel free to start one :) I suspect there currently isn't one because nobody could be bothered, but if you wanna have one that'd be awesome
 
@ArtOfCode I'll see what I can come up with, I forked the repo earlier today but haven't started looking
 
5:26 PM
no worries, whenever you've got time/motivation
this remains, as always, a volunteer thing :)
 
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Link at end of answer, non-Latin link in answer: telegram-bot sending Multiplelocation by Mohammad on stackoverflow.com
tpu- by tripleee
 
5:43 PM
@tripleee I have a lot of design in my head, but most of that I've gotten into code at this point. The main thing that's left is bodyfetcher which I'm not experienced enough with to have opinions on design for
We do have a project board in terms of tasks that need to be done
But it's not really what you're looking for I suspect
 
what is smokey ng, by the by?
 
@ArtOfCode What's the trouble with dulwich
@Magisch What exactly do you mean
 
@quartata it doesn't have basic operations like checkout or current-branch
what he said
 
also in python?
 
aye
 
5:48 PM
@ArtOfCode I've played around with dulwich a lot so I probably know where what you're looking for is. It's very functional just different from the git command line
 
[ userscripts ] continuous-integration/travis-ci/pr failure on 3899d3d: The Travis CI build failed
 
well, you can create those basic operations with lower-level stuff dulwich has, but really I just want to be able to call repo.checkout(repo.current_branch())
 
@SmokeDetector This happened because I made a PR: github.com/Charcoal-SE/userscripts/pull/74 How can I quickly format the files in a way that our build system likes? (at the moment, I use prettier to format it)
 
@Ferrybig xo --fix
If you're using Atom, you can install the xo plugin and it'll tell you about errors
 
5:54 PM
well it was rude, but that doesn't mean I red-flagged it after it was edited
 
unless you clicked spam in FIRE
 
@quartata I'm thinking there should be a goal before you start planning but it's obviously a bit late for that
@ArtOfCode nope, just rude
 
There were goals.
@ArtOfCode <repo>.refs.read_ref("HEAD") might help for current branch
 
@quartata where?
 
@tripleee Most of it was discussed in chat
But angussidney made a good summary let me find it
 
5:59 PM
@quartata if you have an approx time or key phrases I can start digging
 
@quartata kinda
still requires some string processing but probably better than the subprocess call I have at the moment
 

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