TRPG General Chat

12:51 AM

@ObliviousSage no kidding -- it's worse in earlier editions too

@TomSterkenburg half-orc rogue? dragonborn druid?

@Miniman although I do hope I get to play my Palalock more in the near future (having some group assembly issues at that table)

Sandwich

1:17 AM

Whooo yeah baby! My razer blackwidow chroma arrived on the 90th consecutive day I've visited stack!

10 more days to go

hi

Hello there Julix!

[wave]

do you know an rpg session that gets uploaded to youtube where there's an orc character (very dumb) who loooves mutton?

can't recall what it's called and would like to re-watch it and see if they have anything new

I did it! after rephrasing it 10 times this is what found it in google:

rpg story "mutton" orc dwarf half-orc youtube

Cryaotic and friends stream D&D illustrated #1

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Miniman

1:39 AM

@Shalvenay Heh, I wonder what that's like...

Shalvenay

we'll see if we can get it to work tomorrow night

Miniman

My group is in the middle of a 3 month hiatus.

Shalvenay

ouch

Miniman

Yeah, it's been pretty rough.

On the other hand, it's good to slow down a bit, because I'm shortly going to be playing the next campaign I want to run, and I'd like to be finished playing before I start GMing.

Althis

1:59 AM

Hey.

Weren't you discussing social networks yesterday?

That Meeple thingy?

BESW

Peeple was discussed a week ago in the Not A Bar, and then very briefly referenced here yesterday.

Althis

Well, I am not too good with social networks. Could someone please explain to me the difference between Baboo, Peeple, Tinder and the regular Facebook?

They all seem to do pretty much the same thing to me.

BESW

I have no idea what Baboo is, but Tinder and Facebook are distinct from Peeple in several important ways.

First, Tinder and Facebook are opt-in spaces (you don't get put into their systems by anyone other than yourself).

Magician

Peeple - this lich is a jerk, and doesn't trim his nose hair, 2/10, will not fight again.
Tinder - I like this dwarf warrior, and this elf wizard, and this orc barbarian. And if any of them like me, too, maybe we'll go adventuring together.
Facebook - I am now in a party with the dwarf warrior; I am now at a dungeon with the dwarf warrior; kitties!

Althis

Yeah...

Thank you for putting it in terms I understand, @Magician.

BESW

2:10 AM

Second, Tinder and Facebook are primarily about facilitating interactions between people. The judgements I make about who's good to interact with are not then publicised by the system.

Magician

@Althis I think BESW's explanation will be much more useful, once he's done :)

Althis

@Magician Actually, you kinda nailed it. Very succinctly.

That is, if you were also accurate.

BESW

Yeah, he's basically got it.

Althis

I think I will make a Tinder then. I want to meet new people. Get into new social circles.

The thing is that my friends keep telling me that Tinder is for nothing other than casual sex.

And I am not sure if that is true or not.

Their website clearly looks a lot like eHarmony's.

BESW

[shrug] I have no interest in Tinder and I wouldn't have a Facebook account except it's literally the only way to keep in touch with many of my friends and service partners.

So the nuances of Tinder escape me.

Althis

2:14 AM

@BESW I have the same issue. My college actually issues a lot of notices only through facebook, and grades, and organizes projects, etc.

So I could either make one, or be failed in every discipline.

BESW

That has horrific implications about marginalisation and privileged assumptions amongst your university's policy-makers.

Althis

@BESW I know. It is terrible. But since I am a minority, it is not likely anything will ever change on that topic.

BESW

It's something that institutions are slowly becoming aware of, but the growth is very inconsistent even within singular institutions, and it's really just symptomatic of deeper problems with the educational paradigm.

(Interesting side note: Internet-based services are split along class lines based on access through mobile interfaces. Browser-only services are used dramatically less by people in lower income brackets.)

Personally I find the best way to meet new people and enter new social circles is to get out and do new things.

Althis

I used to do that.

Joined a gym for some time.

Did some cult thing for a few weeks.

Parkour.

The problem is that it takes a lot of time and effort to meet people like that.

Shalvenay

@BESW it also has implications for technologist types, who tend to stay away from typical social media, or at least limit their consumption of it, at least in my limited pool of observation

Althis

2:21 AM

These solutions might be quicker, since people actually WANT to meet new people as well.

Shalvenay

I flatly would refuse to take a class if it required me to use Facebook

Althis

In theory at least, creating an environment where everyone involved actually wants to engage seems very efficient.

@Shalvenay That is not very healthy to your future.

BESW

It takes time and effort to maintain relationships too. If I'm willing to put in the resources to maintain a friendship I don't have yet, that's as-yet-untapped resources I might as well dedicate to finding friends.

Also, I generally find that the best way to get out and do new things in order to make friends... is to find things I want to be doing anyway.

Shalvenay

@Althis simply put -- Facebook is a mass distributor of information that I don't always want distributed en masse, and most certainly not associated with my real name

Althis

@BESW I do a lot of weird stuff, all the time. I've run the marathon, and did a religious trek through nature just because I was bored for example. But the people I meet there rarely seem to reach back.

Shalvenay

2:25 AM

(Google's view is much more limited, because you aren't telling them nearly as much about you in terms of PII as long as you stay away from things like G+)

Althis

They are there to do their own stuff, they are not there necessarily to make new friends and many of them don't even want to.

BESW

Five or six years ago I decided to spend a couple months of my free time inviting people to participate in community-building training that I'd just learned how to conduct, and which I felt was extremely important to share.

Althis

So my connection with them is tenuous.

@Shalvenay I am not saying you are wrong. I hate facebook myself, what I am saying is that it is not practical to keep that mentality. If you boycott the class, you will have little or no changing power, and the most harmed entity will be yourself.

BESW

So I went to a social area that I was passingly familiar with but didn't really know many folks, and became friends with people--because inviting random folks who don't know you isn't as effective. Those who were interested, I invited join me in the training. For those who weren't, I was still part of the community and we found other common interests.

I started a D&D group with them, for instance, and two of my regular RPG attendees today are the direct result of those months of effort five years ago.

Shalvenay

@Althis besides, the university I go to runs a full-fledged LMS

so there's really no reason to go outside it

(Blackboard, to be precise -- which does the job, despite its faults)

BESW

2:28 AM

Urgh. I've been trying to help a blind friend use Blackboard.

Althis

@BESW there is another problem in just going out that kinda connects with the previous subject of access to social media.

That is, we often forget this nowadays, but people are really hard to reach without it, and they use it in vastly different ways. For a few years, I was part of a group that practiced Capoeira, and most of the people there were of very meager means.

Some of them even had smartphones, but most didn't know how to use them, and used social media very sporadically.

Shalvenay

@Althis some people don't want to be reached 24/7/365

Althis

Due to the accident I had mentioned a few months back, I am now unable to practice.

And slowly lost contact with them entirely.

Shalvenay

"not unable"?

Althis

We do not visit the same circles usually, and the bridge that facebook provides is largely pointless in this case.

Shalvenay

2:33 AM

let me put it this way -- I do not want all my social circles tied together like that.

Althis

@Shalvenay Would you prefer to lose contact with people you used to love?

BESW

heh. One of the challenges we're currently working to overcome in our community-building work these days is establishing firm lines of communication between folks with different cultures and backgrounds and incomes.

Shalvenay

@Althis I've drifted in and out of contact with folks before -- I'm not a strong-tie person to begin with

Althis

@BESW Yeah. That is not really much feasible in Brazil.

The poor are REALLY marginalized over here. To the point that they slowly become what we expect.

@Shalvenay Well, I want to be.

BESW

@Althis ...I should investigate what the Ruhi institute is doing with that challenge in Brazil. They've had more time than we have to figure it out.

Shalvenay

2:37 AM

hey there @Nyoze

Nyoze

Holla :)

Shalvenay

would now be a good time to pick up where we left off?

Althis

@BESW It also doesn't help that much like Northern Europe has janteloven, which is pretty much culturally ingrained humility, we Brazilians have Jeitinho Brasileiro, which is pretty much cultural corruption.

Nyoze

@Shalvenay Very in and out at the moment, so I don't think so today sorry.

BESW

Ask me some time about chenchule' in 1980s Guamanian politics.

Shalvenay

2:38 AM

@Nyoze okies, we can try some other time then

Nyoze

Yeah, sorry. Just blowing time waiting to see if I can run XAMPP off a network drive, or if it has to be installed on every computer I use :\

Althis

@BESW I am not talking about politics. Jeitinho Brasileiro is all pervasive. It teaches people that they should exploit people and loopholes whenever they are found, because it is just idiocy to not do so, regardless of morality and ethics.

On ALL spheres of society.

Nyoze

This is copying across at 1kb/s... How can it possibly be so slow? :\

BESW

I mean it as a parallel; both jeitinho and chenchule' are important, valuable cultural constructs which have been misapplied to corrupt and disastrous ends.

The Oracle

4:14 AM

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Q: Why is it unacceptable to answer a closed question in chat?

If someone asks a simple question that is closed for being too basic, there doesn't seem to be any way to help the poster, which would seem to disillusion new posters about using the site. (I personally think the question is fine and specific enough, and voted to re-open, but that's not the poin...

Miniman

6:34 AM

Question for chat - is bad tag wiki better than no tag wiki?

BESW

Define "bad."

Miniman

Dictionary quotes with no context or explanation.

If you review suggested edits you should see it.

BESW

Yeeeah, that sounds destructive because dictionary quotes won't provide the RPG context needed for the tag to be useful.

If you click "reject" then you'll get a "copied content" option which explains that generic definitions aren't helpful.

See also:

> Avoid generically defining the concept behind a tag, unless it is highly specialized. The “email” tag, for example, does not need to explain what email is. I think we can safely assume most internet users know what email is; there’s no value in a boilerplate explanation of email to anyone.
Concentrate on what a tag means to your community. For “email” on Server Fault, mention the server aspects of email including POP3, SMTP, IMAP, and server software. For “email” on Super User, mention desktop email clients and explicitly exclude webmail, as that would be more appropriate for http://webap…

(source)

Tag wikis should focus on what kind of question they're for.

Miniman

It amazes me sometimes how many of the corner cases SE has pre-covered. You'd never think about them, but when they come up, it turns out they've already been dealt with.

BESW

That's because it's not pre-covered; it's "Oh, yeah, some joker tried that five years ago and here's what we learned."

Miniman

6:42 AM

From my POV it still counts :)

Nyoze

Every time I check, there's never any first posts/late answers to review.... I need to get to 2k rep so I can get my review badge :\

Pixie

7:03 AM

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BESW

I just took a quick glance at the top line while I was surfing through tabs, and now there's a new word in my head.

Pixie

Ah yes, necromance. The most forbidden of loves and knowledges.

BESW

> necrobo-bromance (n). The platonic but intimate camaraderie shared by automatons and the undead.

Pixie

... except I'm reading that as necro-bob-romance.

Better!

BESW

Does a dash help?

Pixie

7:07 AM

Indeed. xD

BESW

Necro-bob-romance is the plot of a Laundry Files novel.

Welp, that's a lot of "reject as circular" flags I'm handing out.

Pixie

7:22 AM

Dragons are neat.

Nyoze

Wowwwww... Dragons :)

trogdor

they indeed are neat

I would go as far as to say awesome

legendary

godlike even,.... maybe that is a little too far

legendary yes

mythical even

epic

XD

ooh, I like number 6 a lot

SPArchaeologist

@trogdor you forgot "Purple"

trogdor

I assumed everyone would already assign that one

Pixie

I think my favorite is 7, the purple glowy one.

trogdor

7:34 AM

nothing wrong with that

doppelgreener

8:03 AM

@Miniman Basically everything on this network has been the result of about six years of trial and error, built on the lessons of a couple of decades of trial and error before that.

and there has been so much trial and error.

eimyr

8:59 AM

Morning

trogdor

indeed

eimyr

Wow. Someone agrees with me that it is a morning. I never thought I would live to see the day.

Magician

He lies. Also, mine now.

trogdor

it is not morning lol

i has not been for a while

is it stolen? was it never morning? you will never know

doppelgreener

@trogdor i find myself now questioning the entire day/night cycle. do we really have afternoons and night-times, or is that just when Magician wakes up and steals the morning?

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Gruncle Stan & Rick Sanchez

eimyr

9:23 AM

Why do you all have to be in those wrong timezones?

trogdor

because Magican decrees it

do not ask us how this works

doppelgreener

Are timezones just the ripple effect of Magician's hunger spreading through the earth?

eimyr

F*ing magnets! How do they work?

doppelgreener

No, magicians, but I see how you could get those confused.

eimyr

Why is Magician related to time?

Oh.

I just looked at his profile. Clear now.

SPArchaeologist

9:29 AM

> Things are a mess fer ya 'cause ya think time an' space are objective things. Y'now how time seems down when y're waiting? Fact is, time is simply a creation of your human consciousness. What is there ain't no human beings anywhere in the world? Wouldn't clocks and calendars be a waste?

> Maybe there ain't no such thing as time that flows in one direction from the past to the future, and never was dontcha think, ma'am? Human beings are slipshod to begin with, so there ain't nothing strange 'bout time being slipshod too. If ev'rything was all hunky-dory then THAT'D be weird! The only certain thing is the present, that just keeps flowin' like this. Ain't that the best way to think 'bout it?

@trogdor Wanna go straight to Dragon Palace? I'll give you a discount fare!

(Kudos if someone actually recognizes this one)

Sandwich

Rick and morty is an amazing show

10/10

eimyr

So is Mirai Nikki.

Though I have not seen the entirety of it yet.

BESW

Strict linear continuity is a Gallifreyan invention applied retroactively on a history they deemed too messy without it.

Sandwich

So guys

It turns out that the Razer Deathadder Chroma that I had purchased and had mailed to me already has a bad LED (About six hours have elapsed since I opened the box)

The Blue colored LED on the "," key is already dead as dust

It's trying though =<

I have it on a 100% blue keyboard profile right now

And its like

Uhhhnnnn Must.. try to be blue...

( Its green )

BESW

Dear Thai restaurant near my house: spices, however hot, should not contain individual ingredient pieces larger than my thumbnail.

Sandwich

9:38 AM

Eww

That sounds gross

Could you imagine if you were eating pizza and found a thumbnail sized chili flake

eimyr

@Sandwich Razer Deathadder - one of the mice I would consider for myself. Are you sending it back?

BESW

I am able to pick pepper flakes out of my fried rice with my fork.

Sandwich

@Eimyr I have the Razer Deathadder Chroma Keyboard

eimyr

Much better than finding a chilli flake sized thumbnail.

Sandwich

@BESW Grooooosss

I've heard great things about the mouse @Eimyr

And for all intents and purposes my six hours with this keyboard have been very enjoyable

I already have three color profiles

One is halloween themed

SPArchaeologist

9:41 AM

Had the same once....

but with Illicium verum instead of pepper...

eimyr

@Sandwich I like the button profile and the material. Not a big fan of the hump though

Sandwich

The coolest thing about this keyboard by far is that I can literally use it to create multi button macros and program my own color profiles

Like theres a color ripple whenever I press a key

And a wave of repeating Red -> Orange -> Yellow that consistently pulses across the keyboard

eimyr

Imagine doing drugs and going on the pc. You'd just watch the keyboard all the time.

Sandwich

I made the same joke with my friend Chris a little while ago, hahaha

eimyr

I'd enjoy slamming my face into it if it had a colourful effect.

Sandwich

9:43 AM

"Looking at this keyboard while on acid would either be the best possible experience or the worst"

You can program individual button presses to pulse colors

Its hypnotic

And very soothing

I have mine programmed right now to shut off all LEDs in a ripple effect when I hit a keystroke

eimyr

Next KB I'm getting is a mechanical one. I find those rubber condoms underneath the keys increasingly annoying.

Sandwich

This one is mechanical

I find the clicking sound that it makes whenever I hit a keystroke very enjoyable

eimyr

Do mechanicals still cost an arm and a leg?

Sandwich

Plus I can type faster because I can recognize my own keystrokes via sound

trogdor

@SPArchaeologist depends

eimyr

9:46 AM

@Sandwich red switches?

Sandwich

This one ran me 179.99

eimyr

@Sandwich 179.99 for a keyboard? I could resurrect my mother for less!

Sandwich

@eimyr Spring loaded mechanical switches

trogdor

@BESW if it's the place I think it is, that does seem to be their main flaw

eimyr

Cherry MX Red I assume.

Sandwich

9:47 AM

I don't follow the red switches thing

I can program it to be any color I want

The keyboard itself is black

SPArchaeologist

@trogdor that was also part of the quote. It references the Urashima Tarō legend.

trogdor

ah

eimyr

@Sandwich it's a switch type. keyboardco.com/blog/index.php/2012/12/…

SPArchaeologist

Urashima Tarō

Urashima Tarō (浦島太郎) is a Japanese legend about a fisherman who rescues a turtle and is rewarded for this with a visit to Ryūgū-jō, the palace of Ryūjin, the Dragon God, under the sea. He stays there for three days and, upon his return to his village, finds himself 300 years in the future. == HistoryEdit == The name Urashima Tarō first appears in the 15th century (the Muromachi period), in a genre of illustrated popular fiction known as otogizōshi; however, the story itself is much older, dating back to the 8th century (the Nara Period). Older sources such as Nihon Shoki, Man'yōshū and Tango...

trogdor

@SPArchaeologist I have heard of that legend once

@SPArchaeologist yep seems like the same one

Sandwich

9:50 AM

@Eimyr If its based on the actual color of the switch itself, the switch type is green

If the box is to be trusted anyway

eimyr

@Sandwich Apparently Razer produces their own mechanical switches

SPArchaeologist

@trogdor That one is also very similar to an European tale. In it, a woodworker/farmer find himself lost and ends up in a strange empire where he says for some time, only to discover he was left for much longer when he returns.

Sandwich

Neat

eimyr

I don't know their mechanical properties or design.

But if they "click", it's not for me.

Sandwich

I'm a bit sad that my keyboard already has an LED out on the first day of me actually having it

But I can just take it back to best buy

eimyr

9:53 AM

but yeah, the colour effect is something my gf would enjoy a lot

SPArchaeologist

I remember that the tale ends with him discovering a tree stump with an ant nest that seem to ressemble the castle he was in, but I don't remember more.

Sandwich

I'll call them and see if they have one in stock in a few hours

trogdor

@SPArchaeologist that stuff does seem to happen

Sandwich

I'm cry right now though

I didn't even get to play one game of League of legends before my new keyboards LEDs went out

SPArchaeologist

@trogdor I have read that one many years ago, when I was little, on a book that collected folk tales from various European sources.

I don't remember who made that.

Aesop maybe.

Sandwich

10:01 AM

Man that question was a trainwreck

I dont think that guy speaks much english

Sandwich

10:33 AM

Is "The rules don't specify" an acceptable answer to a question tagged as "Rules-as-written" if that's actually the case?

BESW

Yes, though you need to show due diligence and be ready for someone else to come along and prove you wrong.

Sandwich

A Modern Magic Unicorn

SPArchaeologist

1) have the users at rpg starting reading Phoebe ✓

Sandwich

I'm ravenous when it comes to webcomics

I read everything

Except twilight

doppelgreener

10:49 AM

@Sandwich Behold: Gunnerkrigg Court. (Art becomes amazing over time. The artist taught themselves how to draw only a year or so before the webcomic started.)

Sandwich

files that in the list

BESW

11:03 AM

Hoom. Interesting. Umdaar doesn't provide for stunts representing acquired skills that aren't also directly associated with equipment.

It's either something you're born with, or a thing you carry that you know how to use.

trogdor

what?

you mean stunts must be equipment based after character creation?

Sandwich

@SPArchaeologist Lol.. Horn Osmosis

BESW

@trogdor Not exactly? Obviously we can make our own stunts, and they mention that. I just mean that the stunt categories they provide are Powers (think X-men mutations), Weapons (what it says on the tin), and Adaptations (stuff you can do because of the kind of bioform you have).

doppelgreener

@BESW what's a stunt representing acquired skills look like? (In any system?)

BESW

I'm trying to make an NPC who's studied Demiurge technology.

As written, Umdaar doesn't have any examples of "Because I've studied X, I get +2 when doing X."

There's no experience-based stunt forms inherent to the setting, nothing representing profession or training (except training with a weapon).

doppelgreener

11:14 AM

What do the ones it does present look like?

The equipment-based ones you mentioned?

trogdor

ah

BESW

@doppelgreener Baker has "Trained Assassin. Use stealth for physical attacks when an opponent is not aware of you." Stellata has "Multilingual. You can speak any spoken language you encounter."

doppelgreener

@BESW Ah!

BESW

@doppelgreener "Once per scene, you can gain +2 to [specific approach and action] when you face [a common circumstance]."

> Axe or War Hammer (Forceful): Once per scene, when you Forcefully attack and succeed, you can deal +2 stress.
Magical Weapon (Forceful/Flashy): You have a magical weapon or minor artifact that can deal damage. Once per scene, when you Forcefully or Flashily attack, you may loudly call out the name of the weapon, granting you +2.

trogdor

@doppelgreener Archive 4 had one that let him quickly ensnare a foe, and increased difficulty of escape by 2 for their first overcome

Sandwich

11:17 AM

@SPArchaeologist HAHAHAHA FINGER BEAST

THATS AMAZING

BESW

There are two semi-generic Weapon stunts which feature Demiurge tech, but even they each assume you possess a particular bit of Demiurge tech.

doppelgreener

Kickstarter is running a UN Refugee Agency kickstarter for the Syrian humanitarian aid. It's running by different rules than the usual kickstarters.

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Sandwich

11:43 AM

Thats nice of them

SPArchaeologist

@Sandwich Now, just for a second, imagine Heavenly Nostril VS Master Hand.

Sandwich

gocomics.com/phoebe-and-her-unicorn/2013/06/27

I think he means a Grue

BESW

It is nice to get this sort of comment.

But if losing them is the cost of avoiding all the chaff Science Fiction & Fantasy sees in comments, I'll take Role-playing Games's curation attitude any day.

SPArchaeologist

@Sandwich Gru(e) + Zork => Gork

Aaron

12:14 PM

Good morning

Sandwich

12:30 PM

Nanananananananaa Batmaaaan

trogdor

hee

Sandwich

1:19 PM

Robots who are totally also cars eh

Tom Sterkenburg

2:59 PM

Have you guys ever made a dungeon similar to how video games (specifically zelda) do them, with keys, logic puzzles, and items that you need to progress? Was it fun? or too constricting?

The Oracle

3:35 PM

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Q: Migration Path for tool recommendations to SoftwareRecs.SE

There is a place on the SE Network that deals with Tool Recommendations and its called Software Recommendations. As RPG.SE recently abandoned the tool recommendations I would propose to migrate them over to SR.SE where they could live on and be answered and make everyone better off. The require...

discussion migration

The Oracle

4:52 PM

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Q: Tool recommendations aren't off topic yet, Or: Let the community actually decide on that first, because we didn't

A few hours ago, a tool-recommendation question was closed as off topic with the close reason we're now applying to game recommendation questions: Way to manage world factions and events. Now I see the tag has been edited to declare tool-recs off topic, and the close banner universally refers to ...

discussion tools

BESW

8:43 PM

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BESW

10:50 PM

Larp Dragon Construction Test 2

►

trogdor

11:30 PM

lol

BESW

Dear resource banks: "retro" does not mean "actually an old thing."

Grubermensch

Retro fossils

BESW

It's like the inverse of Glue Some Gears On It.

Grubermensch

Edge case: steampunk

doppelgreener

@Grubermensch Retro cave drawings

Retro bronze tools

@BESW Can we have an NPC group who are into legitimately old stuff that's inappropriate for the job but insist it's cool because it's retro

BESW

11:42 PM

Specifically, I'm looking for reference and resource materials for an upcoming project and getting a lot of "Retro playing cards from 1928!"

doppelgreener

@BESW see this retro album in a museum!

.... I'm going to make a hacker group or something who are infuriatingly bad and just shouldn't even be able to succeed and yet they are wreaking havoc in their attempts to

Adeptus

@BESW ugh. I'd accept "retro" as meaning "actually a slightly old thing (say, 1980s-90s)", but older than that is vintage or antique (depending on how old)

doppelgreener

Like they are trying to get into Amaterasu's bank account, but they can't, so they're tapping into five other banks instead, and using their systems to break into the first, but their algorithms are bad and inefficient so they're just crashing the mainframes and sending entire markets grinding to a halt because nobody's bank can do anything.

BESW

@Adeptus "Retro" should generally mean "is trying to evoke an era prior to its own origin."

doppelgreener

but they hacked five different banks simultaneously!!!

BESW

11:51 PM

"Retro" isn't "this is old." It's "this is inspired by something old."

The only way 1928 playing cards can be "retro" is if they're modelled after 1728 playing cards.

(These aren't.)

Also I'm going to have to make my own gaff resources. [sigh]

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